Michael Reynolds Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...photopanel..1.* Question is why are we comparing a Taurus to an Infiniti G37. They should have asked for an M35/45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewfanGRB Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...photopanel..1.* Question is why are we comparing a Taurus to an Infiniti G37. They should have asked for an M35/45. Well, to be completely honest, I was surprised by less hp and less money, but similar 0-60 and faster 1/4 from the Infiniti. Can't really complain about 5.8 out of the SHO...but 99.1 in the 1/4 seems slow (even with the AWD and the extra weight). OTOH, I guess I wouldn't have thought about a G37 if I was cross-shopping an SHO. To me, it's an AWD large sedan with a performance engine. A G37 is more "sport-sedan"...i.e. specifically tuned and built for sport driving. Edited July 6, 2009 by BrewfanGRB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joihan777 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) WTH, a mid-size vs a large car comparo.... crabapples-to-apples in my book. Compare the Taurus to the Avalon, Genesis or Cadillac CTS. The G37 seems more Fusion sized. A proper comparison between an IIHS winner & non-winner isn't. Edmunds gets a :slap: Edited July 6, 2009 by joihan777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yet another WTF from Edumunds And this makes us wonder when Ford is finally going to get rid of that cruise control interface on the steering wheel, the one that we've grown to dislike on our long-term 2009 Ford Flex ? No "cancel" button, no telltale for on/off, etc., and now it's more complex with the adjustable cruise control? I've been looking at Flex steering wheel photos and the on/off button is the second one up from the bottom on the left hand side? Maybe its just me, but Ford has one of the easiest cruise control setups on the road, Toyota is horrible with the little stalk that sticks out of the steering column and GM and Hondas are acceptable. Hell I think the Honda system is nearly identical to the Ford set up from what I can remember! As for the size difference...the wheel base between the G37 and Taurus is only an inch difference, but I'm sure the Taurus dwarfs it in length....and they are complaining about Command seating in the car too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbmphil Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 +1^^^ If you cannot figure out how to properly use the Ford cruise control interface, you are braindead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) Sure, the SHO comes up short compared to a G37 at a drag strip on a slalom course, but compared to other cars of its size and mass (or smaller), it's quick and it sticks. sooooo then maybe compare it to a COMPRABLE CAR IN IT'S CLASS THEN?!?!?!?! Edited July 6, 2009 by Sixt9coug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 +1^^^ If you cannot figure out how to properly use the Ford cruise control interface, you are braindead. I think someone else from Edmunds was bitching about cruise control interface on another Ford product late last year too...Its trivial to complain about it...its not like iDrive from BMW which is an exercise in futility from what I understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Just to be fair, why don't they redo the test, this time with an SHO Taurus with the sport package and an AWD G37x without the sport package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Toyota is horrible with the little stalk that sticks out of the steering column and GM and Hondas are acceptable. The Toyota CC stalk is the one area where Toyota actually had a bright idea IMO. Once you get used to that stalk and it's hard to go back to the steering wheel buttons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 The Toyota CC stalk is the one area where Toyota actually had a bright idea IMO. Once you get used to that stalk and it's hard to go back to the steering wheel buttons. I disagree and I've yet to find anything at all wrong with Ford's steering wheel mounted controls. They are simple to operate and can be used with your thumb without moving your hand from the wheel. I don't get the gripe. The same setup is used in my Mazda6 and I can find no reason to complain about it. Sounds like complaining for complaining's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 The only (barely) valid complaint I've heard is that there is no cancel button. I assume hitting "OFF" wipes out the memory speed so you can't hit resume. OTOH all you have to do is tap the brakes to disengage cc and if you think about it, the only reason to disengage cc is to slow down. One feature that I really like is being able to increase or decrease your speed in 1 mph increments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) I think the CC in my '07 Fusion is just about th easiest I've ever used. One problem on my wife's LS is that the ON/OFF is located in an location and it's not easy to remember which is ON if you've never driven or seldom drive the car. I'm glad they moved it to where the rest of the buttons are located on the wheel. Edited July 6, 2009 by TomServo92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 A big "What?" to Edmunds on the CC thing: 1) What do you even NEED a cancel button for? Seriously. Why? 2) Why do you need a light to tell you cruise is on? Ford's system isn't like Honda's--where if you shut the car off with cruise engaged, it's still engaged the next time you turn it on. As has already been said: If you can't figure out Ford's TWO BUTTON cruise control system ("on" "set"), then you're brain dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 You should've seen the look on the guy's face in the Dale Earnhardt Signature Edition Monte Carlo when we went around him on the outside while merging onto the freeway. Better summarized thusly: We drive like jackasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 As has already been said: If you can't figure out Ford's TWO BUTTON cruise control system ("on" "set"), then you're brain dead. Cruise Control in my Mustang is 5 button (LEFT-On,Off;RIGHT-Resume,Set/Accel,Coast). Still a breeze to operate. :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yeah, but my point is that you almost never use the other three buttons. At least I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yeah, but my point is that you almost never use the other three buttons. At least I don't. True. Beyond "On" and the "Set/Accel" button I rarely use the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...photopanel..1.* Question is why are we comparing a Taurus to an Infiniti G37. They should have asked for an M35/45. Something doesnt pass the sniff test,granted this is an SHO without the performance package. But is there a 4-5 mph difference in the 1/4 mile with a 2:77 gear versus a 3:14 gear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 The Toyota CC stalk is the one area where Toyota actually had a bright idea IMO. Once you get used to that stalk and it's hard to go back to the steering wheel buttons. getting used to the set-up after many months or years of ownership can be said of any vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 getting used to the set-up after many months or years of ownership can be said of any vehicle. When I drive the wife's Freestar, My left foot reaches for the clutch while starting. Sometime's I even reach for the nonexistant floor shifter too. I just relax back in the seat and smile for a second or two. Follwed by the word "duh!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I disagree and I've yet to find anything at all wrong with Ford's steering wheel mounted controls. They are simple to operate and can be used with your thumb without moving your hand from the wheel. I don't get the gripe. The same setup is used in my Mazda6 and I can find no reason to complain about it. Sounds like complaining for complaining's sake. The Toyota stalk can be activated with the index or middle finger without ever removing your hand from the steering wheel. Push the botton on the end and then push down and cruise is set, push up to accelerate. No double checking to make your actually pushing the right button like you have to do with steeing wheel controls. I have 4 examples of the steering wheel cruise controls in the driveway right now, I am completely used to them, and I STILL prefer the stalk. This coming from a guy that does not like Toyotas. I have examples of both in the driveway right now, and the Toyota CC stalk is my favorite thing about the Toyota's ergonomics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I don't have to take my hands off the wheel to set the cruise on my Sable. Do you have thumbs? :P I reach the left thumb out to turn on cruise, and use the right thumb to set the speed. All with minimal relocation of the hands on the steering wheel. With the Toyota it looks like you have to swivel the one hand down, push the button on the end in with your index finger, and then push it down with your index finger, middle finger, or both to set the speed. Where Toyota has an advantage, IMO, is that their CC controls haven't changed much. Ford's button placement has changed frequently over the past few years, as Ford has changed steering wheels frequently over the past few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itguy09 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 1) What do you even NEED a cancel button for? Seriously. Why? I use it all the time in my G35. Say some numb-nuts cuts in front of you to pass. Tap Cancel and you start to decellerate. When numb-nuts gets over, hit resume. No foot movement. Say you are nearing a construction zone - hit cancel and start to coast down. That's all I can think of. And, YES G37 vs Taurus is a valid comparison. I was cross shopping the G37, Flex, and SHO. Until I heard the new Nissans needed special Ester oil @ $100 for an oil change. And then the Ford dealer saying Taurus is @ Sticker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I use it all the time in my G35. Say some numb-nuts cuts in front of you to pass. Tap Cancel and you start to decellerate. When numb-nuts gets over, hit resume. No foot movement. Say you are nearing a construction zone - hit cancel and start to coast down. That's all I can think of. And, YES G37 vs Taurus is a valid comparison. I was cross shopping the G37, Flex, and SHO. Until I heard the new Nissans needed special Ester oil @ $100 for an oil change. And then the Ford dealer saying Taurus is @ Sticker. tapping the brake pedal defeats the system as well, and if you dont go under 35 press resume....youll go back to where you were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Except I do the footwork anyway. If I'm getting passed while closing on a slower moving vehicle, or get cut-off I'm using the brakes. And I always accelerate back using the pedal. I don't like Ford's super-aggressive resume tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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