Deanh Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 if your source says 'standard AWD' he's laughing up his sleeve while talking through his hat (if you can imagine such a thing). shouting the words..."Has anyone seen my credibility anywhere????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 ?.........I truley doubt there will be an AWD Mustang....ever.... Im talking about the MY11 facelift for the MkS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Im talking about the MY11 facelift for the MkS. makes sense on a thread about mustang drivetrains....nice curve ball ....LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Maybe half of the TwinForce, - GDI without the T?Ford had no plan to put NA DI of D35/37 in production. Maybe GM and Nissan forced Ford's hand. No , no and NO ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Looks like its DI...with standard awd. All non-turbo DI plans were scrapped over 2 years ago. As a matter of fact, Ford will be "modifying" it current purchase agreement with its "preferred" Powertrain Controls supplier. More "in house", less "out house" (How do you say "out house" in German ?) ?.........I truley doubt there will be an AWD Mustang....ever.... Roger that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I believe BlueII mentioned awhile ago that new heads were in development for the cyclone engines. It wasn't clear if they were for use across the board or just for rwd applications. With new heads probably also means hotter cams and intakes. I don't think it sounds unreasonable to gain significant hp if the entire top end is changed. Also, I imagine that to date, the applications the cyclone has been used in ,has required it to have "RV" type cam profiles and long runner intakes, all to promote low end responsiveness. If the engineers are turned loose on it with no requirement that it be acceptable at motivating 5000lbs and awd, it should have no trouble making 315hp. I would also second the idea that 315 may be be a premium or E85 rating (like they do with the F150.) BTW, a 300hp Fusion Sport would sound interesting as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) More "in house", less "out house" (How do you say "out house" in German ?) According to my translator: "unser haus" Edited September 3, 2009 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubbyo Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 All non-turbo DI plans were scrapped over 2 years ago. As a matter of fact, Ford will be "modifying" it current purchase agreement with its "preferred" Powertrain Controls supplier. More "in house", less "out house" (How do you say "out house" in German ?) Roger that ! aushaus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 aushaus? Yeah, according to a different translator, it's "aushaus" as you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Rumor is, the prices really will not go up much, as the new engines were already figured into the 2010 price increases. New MKS with 315hp standard AWD would really go a long way towards negating those complaints about the new Taurus stepping on the MKS's toes. I know, not Mustang, but interesting, none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Rumor is, the prices really will not go up much, as the new engines were already figured into the 2010 price increases. New MKS with 315hp standard AWD would really go a long way towards negating those complaints about the new Taurus stepping on the MKS's toes. I know, not Mustang, but interesting, none the less. That'd be good news (the first point), as the Mustang can get a pricey now with all the goodies.... And I agree about the MKS thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (How do you say "out house" in German ?) der krapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 der krapper Das poooop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I think they could & I wish they would. BlueII mentioned a while back that with knock sensor technology, that Ford and many others will go start giving ratings based on 93 octane premium unleaded but not require it. One problem is that 93 octane fuel isn't available in much of the country. The premium standard is 91 octane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Das poooop! Oh yeah, I saw that one. It's about a German submarine, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 The MKS 3.7L was just a stroked 3.5L - they didn't do any other improvements due to time and resource constraints - or so I was told. New heads, TiVCT, intake and exhaust improvements and higher compression should easily reach 315 even without DI. Just because they weren't thinking DI for NA 2 years ago doesn't mean that's still the case. Nobody would have predicted that they'd launch the SHO at the same time as the base Taurus either, but they did. Give Mulally some credit for turning the engineers loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Just because they weren't thinking DI for NA 2 years ago doesn't mean that's still the case. You missed the point. They WERE thinking non-turbo DI on just about everything 2 years ago. Then they finally realized how little it got them and just how big the bill would be. (Not to mention putting themselves in a position where one supplier would have its fingers in every powertrain and that supplier does not seem overly concerned about on time delivery !) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 They WERE thinking non-turbo DI on just about everything 2 years ago. Then they finally realized how little it got them and just how big the bill would be. (Not to mention putting themselves in a position where one supplier would have its fingers in every powertrain and that supplier does not seem overly concerned about on time delivery !) So what's GM's Excuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 You missed the point. They WERE thinking non-turbo DI on just about everything 2 years ago. Then they finally realized how little it got them and just how big the bill would be. (Not to mention putting themselves in a position where one supplier would have its fingers in every powertrain and that supplier does not seem overly concerned about on time delivery !) A lot can change in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Bingo! EXACTLY what I have been saying from square one...and in sincerity I dont think jumping from 265 to 315 is feasible with a 200cc jump in displacement.....my guess 20 hp bump in HP and Torque.....max 30...no way 42.....besides that, cross the 300 hp line and insurance comes into play and alienates the "youth" crowd they attempt to appeal to in the first place.... it is possible because the RWD layout allows for better air flow to the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Well to quote an old proverb...we live in interesting times: Ford has officially commented about the rumors, which adds a bit of legitimacy to them IMO http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=2090...42#/fordmustang http://twitter.com/FordMustang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 it is possible (jumping from 265 to 315 with a 200cc jump in displacement) because the RWD layout allows for better air flow to the engine. Interesting. The exact same comment I got from my inside source !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Interesting. The exact same comment I got from my inside source !!! Now it is getting interesting. :reading: What has your inside source said about the EB V6 in the 'Stang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Interesting. The exact same comment I got from my inside source !!! If Nissan can get 330 hp out of their 3.7L V6 then why can't Ford get 315? Remember it will be mounted longitudinally in the stang, not east/west like the MKS/Taurus, etc. which allows better exhaust options. And I don't even have an inside source - just common sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds91776 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Setting aside the Mustang info (though it sounds awesome!) I am very interested in this news about possible increases of power numbers for the 3.7V6 in the MKS, MKT and possibly other future F/AWD products. If this happens (and I think it has to because 270+ HP is not enough in this market...they need 290 HP at the least) I believe the MKS and MKT, etc will get a huge image boost because while they seem to be great cars with (in my opinion) awesome styling inside and out, an increase in their base motor's power will give them significant image boosts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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