SkapeGote Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Sup, Okay i was reading the MKT comparo and something came to me. Somewhere in the review, the person reviewing mentioned that where Cadillac had turned into a Performance/Luxury brand, Lincoln had become and all out Luxury brand. Anyway, why not take that approach with the Mercury division. You could make a few sporty cars, something along the lines of the Miata or a smaller 350z. You could leave the all out luxury stuff to Lincoln, and the Semi-luxury/Sport to Mercury. Is this a really bad idea, am I really off base here?. Any thoughts? Skape P.S. Let's leave the Cougar out of it. It would be to muscular for what I mean, although I would love to see one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I like the idea, but I'd like to see both Lincoln and Mercury take a dual approach. Lincoln would have sportier large luxury cars with V6's, V8's and such, while Mercury would have something along the lines of a Focus RS, a small 2-door coupe or convertible, and perhaps a performance version of the Kuga or something similar. I really think Lincoln needs to go after BMW, M-B, and Cadillac in terms of luxury performance (more LS and less MKZ type vehicles). And a Cougar doesn't have to be a rebadged Mustang...it could be like you said, a 350Z type vehicle that is more refined and modern but still RWD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalbutconcerned Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Think Mocus program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Unfortunately for Mercury, Ford has been focusing its energy on the core vehicles...I'm sure Mercury will come in next once Lincoln is done with it's debuts. Supposedly the plan now is that Mercury will be smaller fuel efficient Euro Fords. I'm not sure how many they are planning on bringing over, but thats their plan...this month. I'm sure it'll change again at some point, I just hope that SOMETHING is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) thanks for the thread, Skape let's see if I can get this to make sense sporty versions, ok specifically sporty model(s), maaaaaybe if done carefully & AFTER Mercury finally gets enough regular vehicles in their lineup (ie more than TWO!) First imho we have to take into account the "Small Merc Theory" which hopefully will give Lincoln the elbow room to finish getting its act together. How long to allow for this?... ...my guess, ONE product cycle MAX & I'll even Start counting from the birth of the Zephyr/MKZ so until & concurrent with the CD3>>CD4/Eucd changeover (tho the midsizers themselves won't be the key part of a New Merc Theory, since they'll continue on, just 'More So') In that^meantime is the C3 question: What's Merc gonna get? Seems there's general agreement on a Focus-based sedan but which wheelbase? the short/std of the 5-pass C-Max or the longer GRAND wheelbase? and what about the Focus CoupeCabrio => Capri? Then there's the question of the Electric 'Focus' (BEV) and a possible/probable Extender (Volt-ish) model-or-version ...are these the barely-rumored "whitespace" vehicle? ...could either/both of these appear as Mercurys? & could Merc get a Fiesta-based model? (Comet) & what's gonna happen with the Mariner? to KuGa or not to KuGa? OK, I think that just about brings us up to the GRwdP intro (should it happen)... ...or at least the nextgen Mustang and Falcon (same thing ) so I'll quit (before I say the "C" word) by saying NO 2-seaters for Mercury! Ever!!! - Ford may be able to pull one off thru volume - Lincoln thru exclusivity (AND Ford's volume) but every Merc should have at least 4 real seats (imho) Edited September 24, 2009 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Mercury is largely there to compliment Lincoln, so they have to appeal to a similar customer (or at least one that doesn't mind shopping at a Lincoln dealer). To that end, I think turning Mercury into a sporty car would be a failure. It sounds like Mercury may attract premium or tend-conscious shoppers who want something unique but affordable (think youger female). There is a movement toward premium small cars (something Europe and Japan have always had) so we may see Lincoln/Mercury tap into that market. Ultimately, I think Lincoln and Ford will successfully divy up the Mercury customer so there won't be a need to keep them around long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovaltine Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) My favorite "Mercury Memory" is riding in my grandpa's 1965 Monterey Breezeway sedan. It looked like the ones below, but in some kind of gold/bronze color. It was SO cool when he'd put that slanted back window down in the summertime! :-) Also... it had logos similar to this one on it. The last Marauder resurrected this classic logo. I wish that this logo could be updated and put on some new near-luxury / above-average performance sedans. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1963-1968-me...-breezeway3.htm -Ovaltine Edited September 24, 2009 by Ovaltine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintlaz1 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I dont know about Mercury being solely sports car but i dont have a problem with it having a few. and of course im going to bring Cougar into this. Cougar can go either way, Mustang based or Milan based, they both may appeal to different audiences but at the end of the day i would be either and both would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) I dont know about Mercury being solely sports car but i dont have a problem with it having a few. and of course im going to bring Cougar into this. Cougar can go either way, Mustang based or Milan based, they both may appeal to different audiences but at the end of the day i would be either and both would work. ya know, I think I'm coming around to a Milan-based sports coupe < click (chop by 'artandcolour') IF it could be ALL EcoBoost 1.6 190hp (fwd only) 2.0 240hp (fwd & awd?) 2.5 300hp (awd only) 3.5 365hp (awd only) but would 4 or 5 drivetrains be too many for the probable volume? & would I like the idea as much without the v6 EB? Edited September 24, 2009 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 < click (chop by 'artandcolour') That's a niiiiiiiiiiice chop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Merc will just be a placeholder between Lincoln and Ford. And no, it cant be a brand for 'Euro Fords' since Ford is getting those next year!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 just give it the Plymouth/Oldsmobile treatment. It really isnt needed anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 That's a niiiiiiiiiiice chop! Artandcolour is a REEEEAAAAALLLY good chopper, he used to post over at the AutoWeek Combustion Chamber with me before it exploded.....maybe we can "pull" him over here to post from time to time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Artandcolour is a REEEEAAAAALLLY good chopper, he used to post over at the AutoWeek Combustion Chamber with me before it exploded.....maybe we can "pull" him over here to post from time to time... the Combustion Chamber hahahah heard they tried to revive it last year and kissed everyone's butt to come back, which they did for about a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 the Combustion Chamber hahahah heard they tried to revive it last year and kissed everyone's butt to come back, which they did for about a week Yeah, they did, but you had to provide all sorts of info just to get into the section just to register for it, so I didn't bother. I found this place anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
06mariner Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Mercury is a joke...I love love love my Mariner and I am considering a 2010 in late spring/early summer but other than that and the Milan they have nothing to offer over Ford. The dealership has been offering up to $7,000 to move Mountaineer's and they still can't ...they've had the same ones (in the same spots) for months. They can't however, keep MKZ's or MKX's on the lot ...and damn an MKX with those new wheels off the sport MKZ in Steel Blue is probably one of the sexiest CUVs i've ever seen. Not in my price range though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Yeah, they did, but you had to provide all sorts of info just to get into the section just to register for it, so I didn't bother. I found this place anyway.... please tell me you weren't that Thom Yorke character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintlaz1 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Mercury is a joke...I love love love my Mariner and I am considering a 2010 in late spring/early summer but other than that and the Milan they have nothing to offer over Ford. The dealership has been offering up to $7,000 to move Mountaineer's and they still can't ...they've had the same ones (in the same spots) for months. They can't however, keep MKZ's or MKX's on the lot ...and damn an MKX with those new wheels off the sport MKZ in Steel Blue is probably one of the sexiest CUVs i've ever seen. Not in my price range though I am not sure why you are saying Mercury is a joke when you are consdering buying another one. Mercury has cars people want the Milan and Mariner prove that. I will say they are the only two vehicles that are competive in the brand but this is what Ford is working on, by 2011 Mountaineer and Grand Marquis will be gone and you will have a new mercury c-car by that time and perhaps more than one. just give it minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 please tell me you weren't that Thom Yorke character I don't remember him.....no I wasn't, I was rmc523 just as I am here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Mercury dies with GMQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 (edited) 500,000 Mercury Capri Mk1 sales in the early 70's good. Mercury Merkur sales failure not so good. What happened? No matter how you try to spin it, the whole Merkur division was a failure. In its five-year run the division sold only 42,464 XR4Ti models and only 22,010 Scorpios in the United States and Canada before Ford pulled the plug in late 1989. Edited September 28, 2009 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Mercury dies with GMQ. Mercury is reborn from the ashes of GMQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Sup, Okay i was reading the MKT comparo and something came to me. Somewhere in the review, the person reviewing mentioned that where Cadillac had turned into a Performance/Luxury brand, Lincoln had become and all out Luxury brand. Anyway, why not take that approach with the Mercury division. You could make a few sporty cars, something along the lines of the Miata or a smaller 350z. You could leave the all out luxury stuff to Lincoln, and the Semi-luxury/Sport to Mercury. Is this a really bad idea, am I really off base here?. Any thoughts? Skape P.S. Let's leave the Cougar out of it. It would be to muscular for what I mean, although I would love to see one. kill it Mercury's are rebadged ford's. Brand's made sense when people were brand loyal over there life. Now they just take a good design and water it down to satisfy one brand's "sporty" image and another brand's "luxury" image etc. Waste of effort. Build 1 great version...not three mediocre versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Greene Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Ford and the marketplace may not need Mercury vehicles....but those Lincoln dealerships sure do....at least with current mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Ford and the marketplace may not need Mercury vehicles....but those Lincoln dealerships sure do....at least with current mix. all the more reason to kill it. Ford's not in business to support dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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