suv_guy_19 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Well, I honestly think that if that were true, Mulally wouldn't be there.....and Ford would be up a creek without a paddle... Oh I completely agree. That's why I think there's only some logic to what he's saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Oh I completely agree. That's why I think there's only some logic to what he's saying. ok gotcha, makes sense now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 What? Are your fingers the size of bratwursts, or are you typing on a PC-Jr? I was typing on one of theese: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 and that's why I don't like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I was typing on one of theese: Try typing on a Blackberry Storm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I was typing on one of theese: pfft, I'm typing on an iPhone right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 and that's why I don't like them. I feel that phones are for phoning people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) I feel that phones are for phoning people. hit 1 for english, 2 for Spanish, 3 for....hit the guy next to you if the prompts are annoying... Edited October 29, 2009 by Deanh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I feel that phones are for phoney people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 pfft, I'm typing on an iPhone right now The iPhone is far easier to type on than keypad systems - I typed my grad application personal essay on my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 hit 1 for english, 2 for Spanish, 3 for....hit the guy next to you if the prompts are annoying... Nah, here it would be press 1 for English or pour le Français 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) I typed my grad application personal essay on my iPhone "This application sent from my iPhone" Not a fan of the iPhone touchpad OR little the little tic tac keyboards. Edited October 30, 2009 by RichardJensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 The iPhone is far easier to type on than keypad systems I would have got an iPhone. But I hate ATT service. The new Droid phone looks to be my next choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 He's saying that because the top guy doesn't have to take a wage cut as a result of not taking government money, the union shouldn't have to give anything up either. As much as I disagree with him on the grounds that such a position could result in Ford's demise, I think there actually is some logic to it. If the workers have to be competitive with GM and Chrysler, maybe the executive pay should be too. The potential good PR, and the symbolism of the top execs voluntarily taking a pay cut wouldn't be lost on the public or the union. These guys are getting "contract negotiation fatigue", with this the third or fourth time they've voted on either a contract or contract modifications in as many years. Mulally and company deserve to be rewarded for keeping Ford out of bankruptcy, but like you said, if the hourly workers need to be at parity with GM & Chrysler, then the execs should have, at least, made some public cuts in pay. Management made this politically very hard to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I would have got an iPhone. But I hate ATT service. The new Droid phone looks to be my next choice. Same here - Droid phone has some potential. I've had AT&T cellular service - not good at all. I'll stay with Verizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Gotcha. Maybe someone else somehow knows? I'm still wondering if Ford will actually go through with merging the Econoline and Transit... I fully expect that the Transit Global, when introduced in the USA, will completely replace the E-Series. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Our current agreement keeps us on par with GM and Chrysler, and gives us all-in labor costs comparable with the transplants. The tenative agreement doesn nothing to change that. There are empty promises still on the table from the last agreement. Why should we agree to anything that doesn't address that? I have no problem doing anything to help the company be more competitive, but when is enough enough? GM executives had their pay reduced this week. By all rights, since Ford wants us to agree to everything that GM and Chryslersbunion did, shouldn't Ford's executive pay be reduced as well? Sorry for any errand spelling errors. My Pre doesn't auto correst spelling on web pages. Sorry, but Ford has every reason to expect contract parity with GM (Government Motors) and Chrysler (Given to Fiat for future promises but no investment) in order to remain competitive. Ford, GM & Chrysler plants are operated under UAW contracts as opposed to all the many imports/transplants that have setup plants, mostly in the southern states which granted big tax breaks/incentives. If there are empty promises from the last agreement, as you claim, what has your union done to address them? It seems that many in the UAW, especially in this current round of votes, is holding Ford to a different standard just because it's done better than its' competitors that went through bankruptcy and several rounds of government bailouts. Do you really think that Ford would be in its present position without the leadership of Alan Mulally? Do you think that Ford would even have the all-new 2010 Taurus in production so quickly, if ever, or have the steady stream of all-new models that are hitting the Market in the next 12-18 months? Sorry if you disagree but Ford's CEO is worth every penny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Sorry, but Ford has every reason to expect contract parity with GM (Government Motors) and Chrysler (Given to Fiat for future promises but no investment) in order to remain competitive. Forget GM and Chrysler - they need parity with all automakers both in the U.S. and abroad. This worked in the past because the only big competition was among the Detroit 3 so as long as they all had similar labor costs it was equal. And I'm not talking just about wages and benefits but all the baggage that comes with the UAW contracts. The competition can move faster and easier with less overhead. If Ford can't do the same then it won't survive. It's like having a small town with 4 grocery stores. If one store has union represented employees making $14/hr and the other 3 are not union represented and they're only paying $10/hr for the exact same labor putting out the exact same products then there is no way the union store can stay in business. The UAW leaders recognize that they don't have a choice, but the rank and file just don't get it. They think they're entitled to the same wages, benefits and work rules that they had in the past and they're not willing to accept the reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 parity Funny word, isn't it. Only applies to the blue collar, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Do you really think that Ford would be in its present position without the leadership of Alan Mulally? Do you think that Ford would even have the all-new 2010 Taurus in production so quickly, if ever, or have the steady stream of all-new models that are hitting the Market in the next 12-18 months? Sorry if you disagree but Ford's CEO is worth every penny! You're right. They deserve every penny. Hell, he needs a $5 Million dollar raise since he must have been assembling all of the new, quality vehicles that have been getting a lot of press lately. All by himself. Give Mark a raise too. He had a hair out of place in his last web-cast. Maybe he can't afford all the hair gel he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Funny word, isn't it. Only applies to the blue collar, I guess. Over paid executives aren't just found in the auto world either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 You're right. They deserve every penny. Hell, he needs a $5 Million dollar raise since he must have been assembling all of the new, quality vehicles that have been getting a lot of press lately. All by himself. Give Mark a raise too. He had a hair out of place in his last web-cast. Maybe he can't afford all the hair gel he needs. do we have to go down this road again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 You're right. They deserve every penny. Hell, he needs a $5 Million dollar raise since he must have been assembling all of the new, quality vehicles that have been getting a lot of press lately. All by himself. Give Mark a raise too. He had a hair out of place in his last web-cast. Maybe he can't afford all the hair gel he needs. Sorry to hear and/or read that you don't want to recognize or accept the changes that have been implemented at Ford since Alan Mulally became CEO. Not too many years ago there was a Ford CEO that implemented a plan called "Ford 2000" where Ford was destined to be the #1 manufacturer worldwide. Obviously that was a plan that didn't happen. And then of course, the domestic and world economic situation changed along with oil prices, a worldwide recession, etc. Bill Ford was smart enough to realize that he wasn't up to the job that would lead Ford to sucess and survival in the future. He was smart enough to think outside the box and look for the best person for the job. Someone with an engineering background, management experience, and a passion for the business. Many questioned Mulally's selection as Ford's next generation CEO but since then the Company has excelled in an industry burdened by outdated union contracts, overcapacity, outdated vehicle designs, etc. Ford now has a steady stream of all-new vehicles that will enter the Market over the next 12-18 months that are years ahead of the competition. At the same time, Ford is retooling its plants for the future utilizing flex-build technology allowing it to quickly respond to changing Market conditions. I hate to think what condition Ford Motor Company would be in without the leadership of CEO Mulally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Mulally and company deserve to be rewarded for keeping Ford out of bankruptcy You do realize that much of Mulally's compensation is in the form of restricted stock grants and options--things that are worthless unless Ford does well. Also, because Ford didn't go to the gov't they're in a worse position debt wise; and that should factor into discussions about what's 'fair' and what's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 They deserve every penny. 1) Mulally gets $666,667 quarterly and some perks. The rest is deferred compensation in the form of stock grants and options. Mulally hasn't gotten a pay raise since he took the job. For one who complained about reports of $72/hour union jobs, you sure are at pains to cloud the issue of executive pay. 2) If it escapes your notice that Ford is paying a price for honoring its debts and obligations, there's not much I can do to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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