PREMiERdrum Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'll edit to add video when it becomes available, but CBS just had a great piece on the internal documents that have been handed over regarding the SUA events... engineers within Toyota have been working on software "fixes" since 2006, according to their own documents. As the piece came on, everyone in the newsroom looked at me and my 11pm producer said "Holy crap! That's what you've been saying all along!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) And the snowball grows larger still... I'm goona need the day off for the hearings. I'm gettin' a twelve pack, and I'm gonna laugh until I pee myself! Eff U Toyota! Edited February 22, 2010 by chiefstang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcob Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 And the snowball grows larger still... I'm goona need the day off for the hearings. I'm gettin' a twelve pack, and I'm gonna laugh until I pee myself! Eff U Toyota! this will be on tv ????????????? i'll have blisters on my ass ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 this will be on tv ????????????? i'll have blisters on my ass ! At this point, I would bet that they'll be breaking into regularly scheduled programming!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stentgraft95 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 this will be on tv ????????????? i'll have blisters on my ass ! Yea, you'll have blisters but Toyota will has a huge load of poop in their pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Popcorn, chips and queso, those little weenies wrapped in crescent rolls... I'm makin' a list. I've got Wednesday off, and can think of no other greater tragic comedy to enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) CBS Investigation... Congress already has thousands of pages of Toyota documents to sift through, but CBS News obtained one internal document that could be devastating to Toyota's claims that electronics aren't at issue. CBS News has learned that as early as 2005 Toyota engineers were redesigning software in response to complaints of cars surging unexpectedly, reports CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson. That could be crucial because publicly Toyota has insisted for six years - through eight federal investigations - that electronics are not to blame when its cars surge, sometimes out of control. CBS News And from ABC... A flaw in the design of Toyota's electronic acceleration system prevents the car's onboard computer from detecting and stopping certain short circuits that can trigger sudden speed surges, according to a professor of automotive technology, Dave Gilbert of Southern Illinois University's auto technology department. As a result, Gilbert told ABC News, the Toyota computers will not record an error code, nor will they activate the "fail safe" system designed to shut down the power and put the car in the "limp home" mode. Kane said the fact that the cars' onboard computers fail to detect the error could help to explain why Toyota has dismissed complaints from car owners about acceleration surges. "We're hearing from consumers that Toyota tells them it can't possibly happen and if it did, it would set an error code. Well, in fact it doesn't," said Kane. ABC News Edited February 23, 2010 by PREMiERdrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Popcorn, chips and queso, those little weenies wrapped in crescent rolls... I'm makin' a list. I've got Wednesday off, and can think of no other greater tragic comedy to enjoy! what, no geisha girls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) what, no geisha girls? I'm hosting a watch party at my place.. we're ordering in sushi and saki. Edited February 23, 2010 by PREMiERdrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Apparently, Toyota's PCM software is a bit more complicated than normal for the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 what, no geisha girls? They're standard, Dean. Sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 ABC Report: Expert recreates Toyota SUA LINK - VIDEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01FOCI Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Toyo just got smeared on PBS NewsHour along with the disclaimer that toyo is an underwriter of the program. LMAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT_MAN Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Wow .. that is scary what I just saw in that Toyota video. This is sort of strange though: Dr. Gilbert says he found the problem in four separate Toyota models -- the Lexus, Tundra, Avalon and Matrix. Lexus is not a model .. just a typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Popcorn, chips and queso, those little weenies wrapped in crescent rolls... I'm makin' a list. I've got Wednesday off, and can think of no other greater tragic comedy to enjoy! We could all go to D.C. and have a Tailgate Party... as long as they aren't Tundra tailgates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Wow, we're literally watching the unraveling of a dynasty. Unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) Take a look at this screencap from the ABC News / Brian Ross investigation... This video was being shot as the professor had shorted the Accelerator sensor and the car accelerated wildly. Look at the warning lights on the cluster: the seatbelt light is on (although Brian Ross clearly has his belt on), the door ajar light is on (although all doors are closed), The brake light is on, and the spedometer looks to be sitting at zero MPH (despite the high speed) Electrical problem, anyone? Edited February 23, 2010 by PREMiERdrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCM1 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Take a look at this screencap from the ABC News / Brian Ross investigation... This video was being shot as the professor had shorted the Accelerator sensor and the car accelerated wildly. Look at the warning lights on the cluster: the seatbelt light is on (although Brian Ross clearly has his belt on), the door ajar light is on (although all doors are closed), The brake light is on, and the spedometer looks to be sitting at zero MPH (despite the high speed) Electrical problem, anyone? I bet what you are seeing is a result of film editing. ABC most likely filmed the shot of the revving tachometer at a different time when the car was stationary. Hence the doors open, seat belt light on, brake light on, and 0 MPH. Whether this particular failure is causing the sudden acceleration or not, the video does blow a hole in the Toyota statement that no electronic failure can cause sudden acceleration, or can happen without a trouble code being recorded. And it sure didn't take years of testing to determine this fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 I bet what you are seeing is a result of film editing. ABC most likely filmed the shot of the revving tachometer at a different time when the car was stationary. Hence the doors open, seat belt light on, brake light on, and 0 MPH. Whether this particular failure is causing the sudden acceleration or not, the video does blow a hole in the Toyota statement that no electronic failure can cause sudden acceleration, or can happen without a trouble code being recorded. And it sure didn't take years of testing to determine this fact. Knowing the producer of this story as well as I do, I can virtually guarantee that this video was taken during a tripped SUA event... the ramifications of using less-accurate video in this situation are too far reaching to risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Apparently, Toyota's PCM software is a bit more complicated than normal for the industry. Needlessly so, I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Needlessly so, I bet. Especially if even they can't fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) Knowing the producer of this story as well as I do, I can virtually guarantee that this video was taken during a tripped SUA event... the ramifications of using less-accurate video in this situation are too far reaching to risk. That shot was around 2:15 in the video. I would also think it was on the editing table shot. You don't see anything in the reflection as far as trees or whatnot, the seat belt lights are on yet both men are wearing their belts, and well, most noticeably, you don't hear the engine rev until the next scene. Even in a luxurious Avalon you should hear engine noise at WOT. If it was an electrical gremlin causing the tach to jump, you would expect the speedo to sweep too. I also have a hard time believing that the engine in that car would rev that fast in gear, let alone not upshift when gets within 500 rpm of redline like every other Toyota. Edited February 23, 2010 by Sixt9coug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goinbroke2 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.........WHEW.....GIGGLE....GIGGLE....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... Oh man my sides hurt..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry but I just heard another toyota fanboy in the office defend them and it is hilarious. "people are blowing this out of proportion, there was like 100 faults in millions of cars? the government is screwing toyota because they own gm and chrysler now and want them to succeed." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA The funniest part is, what if it was true and the government WAS screwing toyota? EVEN BETTER!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.........WHEW.....GIGGLE....GIGGLE....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... Oh man my sides hurt..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry but I just heard another toyota fanboy in the office defend them and it is hilarious. "people are blowing this out of proportion, there was like 100 faults in millions of cars? the government is screwing toyota because they own gm and chrysler now and want them to succeed." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA The funniest part is, what if it was true and the government WAS screwing toyota? EVEN BETTER!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! As long as people think this way, Toyota won't be going down. Just as Firestone tires and cruise control fires didn't end Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 As long as people think this way, Toyota won't be going down. Just as Firestone tires and cruise control fires didn't end Ford. Yeah, they won't go down. However, the "Golden Child" isn't looking so shiny anymore and their sales will reflect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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