Ford Jellymoulds Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 (edited) Yeah. And *YOU* live in Maryland! FJM, the next time you feel obligated to pontificate on what Americans are doing, look at these pictures and ask yourself if you really know what you're talking about: (Ansel Adams took that picture?) You don't get it. What this a smoke screen whats it gotta do with Lincoln who need a compact car Richard, all that shows me is you are all time poor, cash poor & heath poor not the life l would want to live that life. We have the same as that here Richard and more, you don't have roundabouts because a Camry would not be able turn around on it because it handles like a drunken pig could not handle it, we also have Autobahns in Europe not US straight 56 MPH snail lanes. We can live a free life a normal life here we don't need 2000 bodyguards & SWAT teams like Obama has every time he goes to the loo. British Prime Minister David Cameron on the way to work - time rich, cash rich & heath rich commute. Boris Mayor of London on the way to work Boris is a hero LINK We are not daft we don't waste 4 hours a day out of our life's inside a car doing commutes what a waste of your life racking up billions off $ of Arab Oil trade debt we live closer to work. Edited June 29, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 We are not daft we don't waste 4 hours a day out of our life's inside a car doing commutes what a waste of your life racking up billions off $ of Arab Oil trade debt we live closer to work. Neither would I. My commute is typically about 30 minutes each direction, with very little stop-and-go. It's a rather enjoyable drive on most days. ENJOYMENT from driving? What a concept. I'll keep my V6 and V8, thanks. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 We have the same as that here Richard and more No. No, you don't, and it's not even close. There are 300M people in America, 55,000 miles of interstate, 160,000 miles in the National Highway System and 4,000,000 miles of roads. The US is the 4th largest country in the world by land area, and the 3rd largest by population. Americans drive an aggregate total of about three trillion miles per year. Do you grasp the size of those numbers, FJM? Of course you don't. The average commute of the average American is 30 minutes. There have been five assassination attempts on US presidents in the last fifty years, and the sum total of IRA bombings fall well short of what happened on Sept. 11. You will not see me pontificating about what *you* should be doing with your life, FJM, or what Britons should be doing in their country because I have no point of reference. Perhaps it would be best if you avoided preaching about what Americans should do as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 (edited) Yeah. And *YOU* live in Maryland! FJM, the next time you feel obligated to pontificate on what Americans are doing, look at these pictures and ask yourself if you really know what you're talking about: (Ansel Adams took that picture?) You don't get it. To be fair, don't you live here? /hotlinked Edited June 29, 2010 by Noah Harbinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 Here's a little tidbit. Since 2000, Americans have driven from Earth to Proxima Centauri. Stop and think about that. I'm not boasting about consumption patterns in the US--I try to live with as small a footprint as possible, and I think people in general would be better off if they did so as well. But it's something you need to understand, unless you want to sound like a thorough idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 (edited) No. No, you don't, and it's not even close. There are 300M people in America, 55,000 miles of interstate, 160,000 miles in the National Highway System and 4,000,000 miles of roads. The US is the 4th largest country in the world by land area, and the 3rd largest by population. Americans drive an aggregate total of about three trillion miles per year. Do you grasp the size of those numbers, FJM? Of course you don't. The average commute of the average American is 30 minutes. There have been five assassination attempts on US presidents in the last fifty years, and the sum total of IRA bombings fall well short of what happened on Sept. 11. You will not see me pontificating about what *you* should be doing with your life, FJM, or what Britons should be doing in their country because I have no point of reference. Perhaps it would be best if you avoided preaching about what Americans should do as well. See, this is why someone from a relatively tiny overcrowded island has a completely different view of the world and they can't hope to fully understand what living in a BIG country is like. That view is not reflected by others on here who live in lands where driving distances can be huge. Australia falls somewhere in between, cars and fuel are somewhere in between USA and Europe and since the distances traveled are similar to the USA, with higher fuel costs, there's a tendency to pick more fuel efficient versions of vehicles across the spectrum. That does not give us license to tell Americans how to live their lives or what vehicle choices they should be making. Edited June 29, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 See, this is why someone from a relatively tiny overcrowded island has a completely different view of the world and they can't hope to fully understand what living in a BIG country is like. That view is not reflected by others on here who live in lands where driving distances can be huge. Australia falls somewhere in between, cars and fuel are somewhere in between USA and Europe and since the distances traveled are similar to the USA, with higher fuel costs, there's a tendency to pick more fuel efficient versions of vehicles across the spectrum. That does not give us license to tell Americans how to live their lives or what vehicle choices they should be making. segue, Crocodile Dundee...THATS not a big Island...THIS is a big island.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewfanGRB Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 See, this is why someone from a relatively tiny overcrowded island has a completely different view of the world and they can't hope to fully understand what living in a BIG country is like. That view is not reflected by others on here who live in lands where driving distances can be huge. Australia falls somewhere in between, cars and fuel are somewhere in between USA and Europe and since the distances traveled are similar to the USA, with higher fuel costs, there's a tendency to pick more fuel efficient versions of vehicles across the spectrum. That does not give us license to tell Americans how to live their lives or what vehicle choices they should be making. Awesome post. My stepfather is from England. When his daughters and sons-in-law come over, they just can't get over how FAR everything is. I live in a small town of 4500. I work in the 3rd largest city/metro area in WI (Green Bay---with a pop of approx 102k and a metro area pop of approx 200k). EVERYTHING is "Green Bay". Going to the movies, going shopping, whatever. The distance from my house to Milwaukee, a trip I make 25 times a year (or more), is basically the distance from my relatives' house in England to London. Putting it in perspective: England (not the UK on the whole) has the land area of Wisconsin, but a population greater than that of California! The point is: I don't WANT a small, underpowered, whiny car. I WANT a powerful, reasonably roomy, well-featured car because I spend a lot of time in it, because I HAVE to. Basically, memo to FJM: YOU live THERE, I live HERE...it's my money--both for fuel and car payment, so let me decide how to spend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 We can live a free life a normal life here we don't need 2000 bodyguards & SWAT teams like Obama has every time he goes to the loo. British Prime Minister David Cameron on the way to work - time rich, cash rich & heath rich commute. I don't think a vehicle surveillance database that would make George Orwell roll over in his grave and CCTV on every corner are the hallmarks of a free society. We are not daft we don't waste 4 hours a day out of our life's inside a car doing commutes what a waste of your life racking up billions off $ of Arab Oil trade debt we live closer to work. My daily commute is 5 miles and takes 15 minutes to get there in a city of 250,000. I also lived in a city of 600,000 and my commute from the far reaches of the 'burbs to downtown only took about 25 minutes. Spending 4 hours a day in a car is far from the norm for the average American. I personally don't know anyone whose commute is more than 2 hours total per day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) Europe's population is 731,000,000 and more spacious 3,930.000 square miles. LINK USA is a quaint little place 3,794,101 square miles with a wee population of 309,000,000 Britons Prime Minister David Cameron on his bullet proof bike on the way to work. Boris Mayor of London commuting on his armour plated bike and police escorts and tough rough mean looking bodyguards. You guys make me laugh. Edited July 1, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Europe's population is 731,000,000 and more spacious 3,930.000 square miles. LINK USA is a quaint little place 3,794,101 square miles with a wee population of 309,000,000 You guys make me laugh. In one breath you don't want to associate with Europe because you are in the UK, but then when it suits your purposes, you're all about being "European". Give it a rest, FJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 In one breath you don't want to associate with Europe because you are in the UK, but then when it suits your purposes, you're all about being "European". Give it a rest, FJ. Not me Nick you must be getting mixed up maybe thinking of that nasty T-Stang bloke who owns a dodgy Triumph and has a fetish for Jags I am a good European l own a EHIC Card Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 Not me Nick you must be getting mixed up maybe thinking of that nasty T-Stang bloke It's easy to do. You're both incapable of grasping the reality of life outside of your little sceptered isle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 It's easy to do. You're both incapable of grasping the reality of life outside of your little sceptered isle. You sure you don't mean "sepulchered"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 You sure you don't mean "sepulchered"? I was trying to be nice, y'know--'that other Eden, demi-paradise' and so on and so forth. Especially since, well he's probably bummed out about the World Cup and because nobody thinks the English Prime Minister is worth assassinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I was trying to be nice, y'know--'that other Eden, demi-paradise' and so on and so forth. Especially since, well he's probably bummed out about the World Cup and because nobody thinks the English Prime Minister is worth assassinating. I just thought it sounded like a phrase out of Heart of Darkness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 I just thought it sounded like a phrase out of Heart of Darkness... Maybe if he were Belgian..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Maybe if he were Belgian..... Well, he owns a Peugeot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 old school bump for Rich Jensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 I stand by the assertions in the original post: The Concept C was horrible. It's been canceled. The idea of building some eensy weensy Lincoln and selling it below the MKZ has little sales potential, little profit potential, and has no business as a priority of the Ford Motor Company. It was certainly not worth closing Mercury for. And you're just sore because you whiffed it big time with your simultaneous assertion that the Taurus X and Taurus shared a subframe and that no CUV can share a subframe with any other car because of ground clearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) ....Is there anyone here who thinks that a compact Lincoln can be profitable on volume similar to the A3? Not me. And since I seem to be the only one that is concerned about this thread not being in the proper forum, post number 596 asks that question...why is this in the Ford Motor Company forum when there is a Lincoln specific forum for this type of question.... Edited September 28, 2012 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 And since I seem to be the only one that is concerned about this thread not being in the proper forum, post number 596 asks that question...why is this in the Ford Motor Company forum when there is a Lincoln specific forum for this type of question.... But post #597 asks: Was there a Lincoln specific forum over 2 years ago when this thread was started since Lincoln was really a big ball of nothing then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 (edited) I stand by the assertions in the original post: The Concept C was horrible. It's been canceled. The idea of building some eensy weensy Lincoln and selling it below the MKZ has little sales potential, little profit potential, and has no business as a priority of the Ford Motor Company. It was certainly not worth closing Mercury for. And you're just sore because you whiffed it big time with your simultaneous assertion that the Taurus X and Taurus shared a subframe and that no CUV can share a subframe with any other car because of ground clearance. the concepts C was released in 2009 it is now 2012 the styling language is no longer valid. Can you say with 100% knowledge that there will not be a compact Lincoln sedan or MAV in the next 2 years? If so I'd like to know your source. If there is a compact sedan or MAV will you eat your hat? There are alot of assertions from you in this thread have been proven wrong. Edited September 29, 2012 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 But post #597 asks: Was there a Lincoln specific forum over 2 years ago when this thread was started since Lincoln was really a big ball of nothing then? answer would be a yes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 the concepts C was released in 2009 it is now 2012 the styling language is no longer valid. Can you say with 100% knowledge that there will not be a compact Lincoln sedan or MAV in the next 2 years? If so I'd like to know your source. If there is a compact sedan or MAV will you eat your hat? There are alot of assertions from you in this thread have been proven wrong. That styling language wasn't valid the day they rolled that abomination onto the turntable. Nobody wants a Pacer with a formal roof, a bustleback, and split wing grille. If there is any sense at Dearborn, the last thing they launch will be a compact Lincoln sedan. You Cannot Build A Luxury Brand From The Bottom Up. As I said in the original post, people will pay a premium for a small BMW or MB because of ESTABLISHED BRAND EQUITY. How about you tell me what Lincoln has in the way of ESTABLISHED BRAND EQUITY, and show how that will convince people to pay upwards of $30k for a vehicle that seats exactly two adults comfortably. Or why people of any stripe would pay a dime for something that just about killed the American Motor Company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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