sranger Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Here's my prediction: Based on all we have heard, the 2.0 EB will be a cost option. The vast majority of Edge sales will continue to be those with the 3.5. This will also be true if you want AWD.... It is Not available in the Ecoboost 2.0L.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) The amount of hand wringing in this thread reminds me of the late 1970s and early 1980s when people were talking about the end of V8 era in domestic cars. Turbo I4 makes more horsepower and torque and offers better fuel economy (especially turned correctly and paired with the right transmission) than large bore V6. If you think thirsty V6 is necessary in a midsize crossover, just take a look at the sales data for Audi Q5. Since the 2.0T was introduced, the 3.2 V6 sales have nosedived and is rumored to be dropped completely from the line up in 2012 (to be replaced by 3.0 TDI). I suppose Ford could hedge the field by offering the V6 as well as the Ecoboost I4 for next generation but I think a lot will be decided in 2012 when the current Edge receives the 2.0 Ecoboost. Here is my prediction: 2.0 Ecoboost Edge will outsell 3.5 V6 Edge in the first full calendar year when the 2 are offered side-by-side. The Q5 is also the size of the Ford Kuga/Escape, it's much smaller than the Edge. I have no doubt they can make it work, especially with a larger EBI4, but the 2.0 is pushing it. And unlike the Audi, Ford doesn't attach AWD. Edited July 5, 2011 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante hicks Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Two, the height of a vehicle alone doesn't really have much of an impact on aerodynamics. There are plenty of ways to make a taller vehicle just as slippery through the air as a lower one (assuming similar seating and storage arrangements anyway). Height alone also doesn't really have a direct impact on vehicle weight either. Of course the height affects aerodynamics -- coefficient of drag is applied to the frontal area of the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Also as for being Station Wagons....if people aren't buying them now, why would they start too? Why force a product on the market that people don't want? I'll say its bunch of BS with the whole SUV/CUV/Wagon thing when it boils down to it, but its all about perception... If you look at the Honda CrossTour or Toyota Venza that seems to be the style that people want now. No one wants CUVs that look like SUVs anymore (or so I have been told). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 If you look at the Honda CrossTour or Toyota Venza that seems to be the style that people want now. No one wants CUVs that look like SUVs anymore (or so I have been told). Have you seen CrossTour sales numbers? 1,395 in June, compared to 9,663 Edge and 3,384 Venza. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Have you seen CrossTour sales numbers? 1,395 in June, compared to 9,663 Edge and 3,384 Venza. :shades: Hey I'm not debating the fact that people aren't buying these CUVs that have been station wagonized. I am just debating the people that tell me I am crazy for thinking people like CUVs with a little more traditional SUV styling. The Edge and new Explorer are fine, but from what I have seen of the Vertrek concept it is heading right down the Venza and CrossTour path with it's pinched off back roofline. I understand the pinched back end is suppose to make it look more like a wagon and less like an SUV, but it just takes away cargo room and makes the vehicle look wimpy. Edited July 5, 2011 by 2005Explorer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I have to admit that the Venza is my favorite Toyota, it would be the only car I would purchase from that company. I still think it's strange people are evangelizing the look of the current Escape. It's a handsome SUV, but it doesn't look tougher just because it looks traditional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Hey I'm not debating the fact that people aren't buying these CUVs that have been station wagonized. I am just debating the people that tell me I am crazy for thinking people like CUVs with a little more traditional SUV styling. The Edge and new Explorer are fine, but from what I have seen of the Vertrek concept it is heading right down the Venza and CrossTour path with it's pinched off back roofline. I understand the pinched back end is suppose to make it look more like a wagon and less like an SUV, but it just takes away cargo room and makes the vehicle look wimpy. Um How does this look Pinched off? vs this: Or even this: Heck the more I see the Venza, the more they riped it off the Edge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Um How does this look Pinched off? The rising belt-line makes it look pinched off. I wonder if the roof line is the same height as the current Escape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateX Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Have you seen CrossTour sales numbers? 1,395 in June, compared to 9,663 Edge and 3,384 Venza. :shades: I figured that blind drivers was a very limited market, I am surprised that Honda sold that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Hey I'm not debating the fact that people aren't buying these CUVs that have been station wagonized. I am just debating the people that tell me I am crazy for thinking people like CUVs with a little more traditional SUV styling. The Edge and new Explorer are fine, but from what I have seen of the Vertrek concept it is heading right down the Venza and CrossTour path with it's pinched off back roofline. I understand the pinched back end is suppose to make it look more like a wagon and less like an SUV, but it just takes away cargo room and makes the vehicle look wimpy. screams more BMW X series to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Um How does this look Pinched off? vs this: Or even this: Heck the more I see the Venza, the more they riped it off the Edge... Compare those to the new Explorer. The new Explorer looks much better in the back with a more traditional SUV roofline and luggage compartment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 Who said the Edge will look like a Venza... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Compare those to the new Explorer. The new Explorer looks much better in the back with a more traditional SUV roofline and luggage compartment. I dunno, I like both, I think the upcoming Escape just looks more swoopy looking then it actually is...the top part of the C pillars are "pinched" down by a slightly rounded roof and the direction of the C-pillar windows pointing up..I doubt that the interior space is affect much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 This will also be true if you want AWD.... It is Not available in the Ecoboost 2.0L.... The only thing Ford has said is that the Taurus and Explorer 2.0EB will be FWD only. They haven't stated anything officially like that with the upcoming CD4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I have to admit that the Venza is my favorite Toyota A BORG with a taste for Klingon? It does explain a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 A BORG with a taste for Klingon? It does explain a lot. +1 for you, my friend. I assumed BORG liked the molten Venza because it is a complete ripoff of the Edge, itself the donor for his beloved MKX. Your theory, though, is much more interesting. :reading: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calypsocoral Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I'm not sold on this story (lack of V6) Turning the Escape into a Mini-Edge, and then the Edge into a slightly bigger version of the same concept (not literal, but CUV concept in general), , seems like it would be a lot of overlap. Only way I could see Edge being all I4 is if Lincoln loses the MkX, and there is a suitable KugaLincoln which gets bookended with an ExplorerLincoln. I'm not buying it. I buy it, because 2016 is less than one model cycle away now. Tick... tock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) Well, the Venza is the most Ford-looking of the Toyota's because of that fascia. But every-time I see the Venza on the road, it stands out from the crowd as something a bit more progressive and sporting. And the Edge design (and many other SUVs like it) was inspired by another Toyota, the Lexus RX. The RX is probably the most influential vehicle design since the Ford Taurus. EVERY modern SUV and Crossover has been inspired by its design. Edited July 6, 2011 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 And the Edge design (and many other SUVs like it) was inspired by another Toyota, the Lexus RX. The RX is probably the most influential vehicle design since the Ford Taurus. EVERY modern SUV and Crossover has been inspired by its design. Outside of the general outline (A high sitting Wagon with high belt lines) of it, I don't see it...the RX is pretty fugly..esp in the design details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) Outside of the general outline (A high sitting Wagon with high belt lines) of it, I don't see it...the RX is pretty fugly..esp in the design details I'm not talking about the newest RX, which is now stylistically irrelevant. I'm talking about the generations that preceded it, especially the 2nd gen. The wedge-shaped belt-line, raked rear glass, spoiler above the rear-hatch are just some of the design elements which inspired all contemporary SUV/CUV design. Not to mention the RX was the first successful "Crossover" as we know them today. Prior to the RX, SUVs were designed like white goods. Edited July 6, 2011 by BORG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I actually agree with Borg. The Venza....isn't that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I actually agree with Borg. The Venza....isn't that bad. Its not that good either...its not a white good, more of a beige color LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 lol, well for Toyota, it isn't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) Of course the height affects aerodynamics -- coefficient of drag is applied to the frontal area of the vehicle. Height all by itself doesn't impact drag. I'd wager a Ford Edge has a lower drag coeffecient than a 1965 Lincoln Continental despite being much taller. There's far more at play than one dimensional measurement. Now, is it easier to make a shorter vehicle more aerodynamic? Sure, but that doesn't mean it always will be by default. Edited July 6, 2011 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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