dds010 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 8 Speed auto other trannies in pipeline mkc nano ecoboost mkz high performance edition? other engine tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) 8 Speed auto other trannies in pipeline mkc nano ecoboost mkz high performance edition? other engine tech I don't have any new info, dds010, but I'd sure like to (also) see Lincoln do something (more) with hybrids... ...1st step, the MKC!! Edited December 13, 2012 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 @ dds010, did you see the posts in the other thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dds010 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 @Hugh yes I saw the post in the other thread. But I vaguely remember seeing news about Lincoln getting the 8 speed tranny n tht had nothing to do with the tranny tht they are developing with GM which I think is suppose to be a 9 or 10 speed if I'm not mistaken. Also I know there Is suppose to be four news cars coming but I thought we would also be Herring about more new tech and features other than the glass panel roofs. I thought the nanos would be coming to the mkz n others but now it seems as if they are a ways off. It would greatly benefit the z if they gave it class leading power, I'm talking 340-350 HP, just because it not really a rwd competitor doesn't mean they shouldn't give nuthn the power to beat all ina straight line. Also think the should nix the eb as the base engine n make the 3.7 the base with a step engine being a 3.7 with higher output or the 3.5 eb, as it would make it stand out from the pack more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dds010 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Sorry for the misspelled words, phone stays making silly autocorrects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dds010 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Seems as though Edmunds ( even though their article was 99% BS) agrees with me on making the 3.7 standard in the mkz, while having a 3.5 lebron otmr nano (call it something else for Lincoln) as step-up motors. Having the fastest times in the segment can prove vital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Seems as though Edmunds ( even though their article was 99% BS) agrees with me on making the 3.7 standard in the mkz, while having a 3.5 lebron otmr nano (call it something else for Lincoln) as step-up motors. Having the fastest times in the segment can prove vital Having the fastest times in anything should be amongst the least of Lincoln's worries right now. Competitive is fine. And the 3.7 is quite competitive in its class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Seems as though Edmunds ( even though their article was 99% BS) agrees with me on making the 3.7 standard in the mkz, while having a 3.5 lebron otmr nano (call it something else for Lincoln) as step-up motors. Having the fastest times in the segment can prove vital So we can just take all the vehicles and rank them by 0-60 times and that will accurately predict sales and profits? I bet the 2.0L EB and hybrid outsell the 3.7L by a large margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dds010 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Having the fastest times in anything should be amongst the least of Lincoln's worries right now. Competitive is fine. And the 3.7 is quite competitive in its class. Obviously Lincoln needs to do something that is a bit outside the norm, and since budget constraints don't allow them to do much in the way of platforms, then implement things they can control such as making a 300 horse BASE engine with a 340/340 hp torque mill as the step up. Because will the 3.7 is competitive in terms of power, its also being saddled around with lots of weight, ESP in awe guise with Which is why its acceleration times are only so so. Give the z the nano n lebron, n a more sport oriented edition n that would give it a a slightly different and better approach without taking hardly any $ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dds010 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 And anyone who thinks that the base eb in the mkz isn't going to be a noisy mill (which WILL be a knock on it as its competing with the es, a very silent car) while being saddled with the vast weight of the mkz is delusional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Obviously Lincoln needs to do something that is a bit outside the norm, and since budget constraints don't allow them to do much in the way of platforms, then implement things they can control such as making a 300 horse BASE engine with a 340/340 hp torque mill as the step up. Because will the 3.7 is competitive in terms of power, its also being saddled around with lots of weight, ESP in awe guise with Which is why its acceleration times are only so so. Give the z the nano n lebron, n a more sport oriented edition n that would give it a a slightly different and better approach without taking hardly any $ A lot of customers won't want the fuel economy penalty of having a 300 horsepower base engine and not all of them would opt for a hybrid instead. With the 2.0 EB already being offered in the Fusion, why not offer it in the MKZ? The power is there in the 3.7 for customers who want it. Frankly, there likely just aren't a whole lot of buyers out there who would be interested in anything more than that in a car like the MKZ. There are no "hot rod" models of Lexus ES or Buick Lacrosse either. They just aren't those kind of cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) And anyone who thinks that the base eb in the mkz isn't going to be a noisy mill (which WILL be a knock on it as its competing with the es, a very silent car) while being saddled with the vast weight of the mkz is delusional Citation needed for the interior decibel levels of the 2.0 EB in the MKZ. I don't recall noise being a complaint about the 2.0 EB in the Fusion. I can't see it being of any great liability to the MKZ that utilizes even more sound deadening. Isn't active noise cancellation also available/standard as well? And where is this "vast weight" thing coming from? The MKZ is heavier than the Fusion, but it's not a freaking Panther for crying out loud. Edited December 19, 2012 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dds010 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Out of the four or five reviews I've seen on the mkz, at least two of them have said the base lebron is noisy under throttle. And yes there is no hot rod es in existinence but the mkz is tryn to steal sales away from the es n offering a upgrade eb is one thing they can do different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I saw in a NYT article awhile ago that a "larger sedan" was supposedly being worked on. I don't know of anything beyond the stretched CD4-based MKS...which is still 2 years away, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Out of the four or five reviews I've seen on the mkz, at least two of them have said the base lebron is noisy under throttle. And yes there is no hot rod es in existinence but the mkz is tryn to steal sales away from the es n offering a upgrade eb is one thing they can do different What you need to understand is just how much quieter the new CD4 body actually is, that's the difference here and because everything else is much quieter, you can hear the engine under load but unlike competitor vehicles, you dont have to raise your voice to be heard. Try to understand the needs of the Lincoln buyer demographic that Ford is going after by offering 2.0 EB and hybrid as entry level models, quite clearly, Ford/Lincoln sees the priorities of potential buyers being completely different to those who are shopping for BMW / Cadillac.. Edited December 19, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dds010 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 And the fusion Itself is already portly and overweight so the Mkz which will surely be 200-400lbs MORE is surely overweight also. Plus I'm giving it a 50% chance that the 3.7 will become available in the fusion. AND while eb's do offer good fuel economy, they can however guzzler when the pedal is being pressed heavily and knowingly that females are a major part of the demographic n seeing as how the drive with a heavy foot, giving them an option with an engine that's not always spoiling up its boost will be vital, and once the fusion gets the 3.7, the mkz will have NO unique engines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stentgraft95 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 And the fusion Itself is already portly and overweight so the Mkz which will surely be 200-400lbs MORE is surely overweight also. Plus I'm giving it a 50% chance that the 3.7 will become available in the fusion. AND while eb's do offer good fuel economy, they can however guzzler when the pedal is being pressed heavily and knowingly that females are a major part of the demographic n seeing as how the drive with a heavy foot, giving them an option with an engine that's not always spoiling up its boost will be vital, and once the fusion gets the 3.7, the mkz will have NO unique engines I truly believe there will be a powerplant that comes in North of the 3.7 for the 14' MY! I'm buying the 3.7 AWD and that's okay, I have the GT500 for those days I want to get after it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 And the fusion Itself is already portly and overweight As Nick said, *Citation needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 the base lebron OK, this is probably an autocowrex thing, but what is "lebron" (base or otherwise) supposed to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) OK, this is probably an autocowrex thing, but what is "lebron" (base or otherwise) supposed to be? Perhaps the EB2.0 will leave Ford after a few years and "take its talents" to another manufacturer? Edited December 19, 2012 by PREMiERdrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) . AND while eb's do offer good fuel economy, they can however guzzler when the pedal is being pressed heavily and knowingly that females are a major part of the demographic n seeing as how the drive with a heavy foot, giving them an option with an engine that's not always spoiling up its boost will be vital, and once the fusion gets the 3.7, the mkz will have NO unique engines I disagree, buying trends in the past few yeas says you're wrong and Ford will avoid V6 like the plague in Fusion,the take rate is not expected to be that hig in MKZ either, hence the premium for the engine... By early 2015, Ford will be introducing next generation 2.3 Ecoboost variable architecture (meaning a family of engines in different sizes) Ford is pressing ahead with the increased emphasis on Ecoboost with goals of 25% economy improvement over the current V6, all of it being forced upon Ford to stay ahead of tightening CAFE limits, the days of larger capacity V6 engines in sedans is ending. Edited December 19, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I guarantee that the Fusion won't get the 3.7L unless the MKZ has another more powerful engine option. The upgraded Lincoln engines simply aren't ready yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Citation needed for the interior decibel levels of the 2.0 EB in the MKZ. I don't recall noise being a complaint about the 2.0 EB in the Fusion. I can't see it being of any great liability to the MKZ that utilizes even more sound deadening. Isn't active noise cancellation also available/standard as well? And where is this "vast weight" thing coming from? The MKZ is heavier than the Fusion, but it's not a freaking Panther for crying out loud. The heaviest Fusion is about 3600 pounds and heaviest MKZ with V6 and AWD with glass top is 4100 pounds. That makes for one, heavy midsizer. I would imagine V6 FWD only MKZ without retractable top would be 300 pounds lighter and shave about half a second off of 0-60 time plus increase fuel mileage significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Perhaps the EB2.0 will leave Ford after a few years and "take its talents" to another manufacturer? what, like a certain High line manufacturer named Land Rover....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 And anyone who thinks that the base eb in the mkz isn't going to be a noisy mill (which WILL be a knock on it as its competing with the es, a very silent car) while being saddled with the vast weight of the mkz is delusional you may need to contact Audi and echo those sentiments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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