Rick73 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Isuzu 2025 NRR EV is interesting. It has from 3 to 9 battery modules of 20 kWh each, for a maximum estimated range of up to 235 miles. https://www.isuzucv.com/en/app/site/pdf?file=2025NRR-EV_ProductBrochure_Final.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 11 hours ago, Rick73 said: Isuzu 2025 NRR EV is interesting. It has from 3 to 9 battery modules of 20 kWh each, for a maximum estimated range of up to 235 miles. https://www.isuzucv.com/en/app/site/pdf?file=2025NRR-EV_ProductBrochure_Final.pdf Hmn..would be nice if they gave the chassis weight of all three options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 41 minutes ago, Bob Rosadini said: Hmn..would be nice if they gave the chassis weight of all three options. Not sure which three options you mean. They list three wheelbase lengths and 4 battery capacities for 8 combinations. I don’t see much detail either though payload range is included, along with motor power, charging rate, etc. in specifications. It appears each 20 kWh battery module must add about 500 pounds. https://www.isuzucv.com/en/app/site/pdf?file=2026_NRR_EV_Brochure.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Well Cummins announced availability of the gasoline version -87 octane- of the 6.7. 660lb-ft of torque. I'm sure it will be far more costly than a 7.3 Ford but checknout this response from Paccar; Cummins says the engine has undergone 2 million miles of testing. It was the first B Series engine built on the HELM platform, designed to reduce emissions, increase fuel efficiency and able to be modified to run on alternative fuels. HELM stands for “Higher Efficiency, Lower emissions and Multiple fuels” and was launched in 2024 to help customers adapt to future emissions requirements and meet emissions-reduction goals. “The engine was validated against the same standards as Cummins diesel B6.7 engine,” said Kevin Haygood, Kenworth’s assistant general manager for sales and marketing manager. “With environmental regulations changing, it spurred us to offer another engine option to our customers. The new Cummins B6.7 Octane engine will meet stringent emission regulations, so we expect it to be a popular option in California and other states that have adopted CARB’s standards. It can be a great fit for many of our customers’ applications, especially in P&D (pickup and delivery) and towing applications. We also see it being popular for the lease and rental markets, as well as for landscapers, where those behind the wheel are used to driving gas-powered vehicles.” As I've said more than once, Ford was in a good position to push the 650/750 7.3 on the west coast. But no- I'm afraid those that say Ford is done with class 6 and 7 are correct. The move of class 6 and 7 from Bluediamond to OAP was just to placate UAW during last negotiations. The air brake debacle and the fact they wouldn't spend any money on that but just offer BS excuses says they are done. Fordman...guess I'm done standing on the hill🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Its not for our market, but still interesting: Ford Trucks Signs Joint Development Agreement With Iveco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 No doubt the Octane powered Kenworth will be more expensive than the gasoline powered F 650/750, so it remains to be seen how Ford's sales will be impacted. I find Kenworth's selection of the Paccar TX-B automated manual transmission a bit of a surprise, I would think an Allison would be a natual for this application. Kenworth is already claiming 10% more fuel efficiency than 'other gasoline engines in its category'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Its not for our market, but still interesting: Ford Trucks Signs Joint Development Agreement With Iveco This is significant. I have thought for some time that Otosan would need a partner for their medium/heavy truck operations going forward, and this is the first move in that direction. I don't feel however that this is a negative reflection on Otosan, it's just a response to the market. Ford Motor can't really offer much support to Otosan with regard to their medium and heavy truck operations, and Otosan is too small to go it alone. BTW, should Ford pull out of Europe, Otosan is in a great postion to inherit the Transit franchise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 6 hours ago, rmc523 said: Its not for our market, but still interesting: Ford Trucks Signs Joint Development Agreement With Iveco Another mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 hours ago, Joe771476 said: Another mistake! I don't think it's a mistake. It's a way forward for Otosan. It is interesting to note that Iveco bought Ford's medium and heavy truck business in Britain back in the late 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Check out this picture of the 6.7 Cummins gasser. Can't figure out what that is on right side of engine??? Cummins’ First Gasoline Engine Debuted for Kenworth Medium-Duty Trucks Don McLoud Mar 10, 2025 The engine runs on 87-octane gasoline and achieves diesel-like performance, Cummins says. Kenworth Kenworth will soon offer Cummins’ first gasoline-powered engine, the B6.7 Octane, in its Class 5 to 7 conventional trucks. The engine for medium-duty trucks runs on 87-octane gasoline and achieves diesel-like performance, Cummins says. It has a horsepower range of 200 to 300 and torque up to 660 foot-pounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearheadGrrrl Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Not Cummins' 1st gas engine- They offered a "Giesel" gas spark ignited version of their small diesel V8 in the 1960s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 On 3/11/2025 at 1:38 PM, 7Mary3 said: This is significant. I have thought for some time that Otosan would need a partner for their medium/heavy truck operations going forward, and this is the first move in that direction. I don't feel however that this is a negative reflection on Otosan, it's just a response to the market. Ford Motor can't really offer much support to Otosan with regard to their medium and heavy truck operations, and Otosan is too small to go it alone. BTW, should Ford pull out of Europe, Otosan is in a great postion to inherit the Transit franchise. too small? Last I read, the F-Max tractor is exported to Europe and Asia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 17 hours ago, Joe771476 said: too small? Last I read, the F-Max tractor is exported to Europe and Asia. Ford Otosan is small compared to Daimler Truck, Volvo, Traton, and Iveco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: Ford Otosan is small compared to Daimler Truck, Volvo, Traton, and Iveco. Give them time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 On 3/12/2025 at 6:59 PM, GearheadGrrrl said: Not Cummins' 1st gas engine- They offered a "Giesel" gas spark ignited version of their small diesel V8 in the 1960s. On 3/12/2025 at 6:59 PM, GearheadGrrrl said: Not Cummins' 1st gas engine- They offered a "Giesel" gas spark ignited version of their small diesel V8 in the 1960s. Which was a complete flop I do believe. As were the small V-8 diesels. They had the sense however to pull the plug on them before they alienated too many customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) The small Cummins V-6 and V-8 were interesting engines, they started as a joint venture between Cummins' British subsidiary and Chrysler of Europe. Chrysler used the engines in their British and Australian trucks, eventually offering the small V-8 in some of their medium duty U.S. trucks. One of the largest users of the V-6 was Ford, as it was one of the first diesels available in the F series in the mid-60's. https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31209-when-the-dodge-boys-sold-trucks-down-under/ Edited March 15 by 7Mary3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Regarding Cummins 6.7L Octane inline-6 engine, specifications are interesting in that design is more advanced/modern than I expected from Cummins for commercial trucks. The engine is GTDI (gasoline turbocharged direct injection), and uses DOHC head with dual independent cam phasing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 (edited) Just came across this. I never heard of it, but when I told a buddy of mine about it, he knew all about it and how it worked! Bob or 7M probably do. Some Old British Trucks Had One Of The Weirdest Diesel Engine Designs You've Never Heard Of - The Autopian Edited March 17 by Joe771476 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Joe, interesting mention towards end of article of newer Cummins military diesel also using opposed pistons, though with more traditional two crankshafts. https://www.cummins.com/news/2024/09/04/1000-hp-advanced-combat-engine-ace-debut-land-forces-expo-melbourne “ACE is scheduled to go into production in late 2027 and while developed for military applications, its adaptability extends to commercial uses that require high power with limited available space.” Greater power density and improved fuel efficiency are promising, though there may be some major disadvantages they are not mentioning yet. Perhaps higher emissions or costs???? The modular design with 3, 4, or 6 cylinders is planning ahead to cover wider range of needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 9 hours ago, Rick73 said: Joe, interesting mention towards end of article of newer Cummins military diesel also using opposed pistons, though with more traditional two crankshafts. https://www.cummins.com/news/2024/09/04/1000-hp-advanced-combat-engine-ace-debut-land-forces-expo-melbourne “ACE is scheduled to go into production in late 2027 and while developed for military applications, its adaptability extends to commercial uses that require high power with limited available space.” Greater power density and improved fuel efficiency are promising, though there may be some major disadvantages they are not mentioning yet. Perhaps higher emissions or costs???? The modular design with 3, 4, or 6 cylinders is planning ahead to cover wider range of needs. It is an opposed piston style of engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposed-piston_engine the Soviets/Russians used this style of engine back in the 1960s on the T-64 and other AFVs based on it. It wasn't the most reliable engine in the world, but got better as time went on Edited March 18 by Sherminator98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/15/2025 at 12:19 PM, 7Mary3 said: The small Cummins V-6 and V-8 were interesting engines, they started as a joint venture between Cummins' British subsidiary and Chrysler of Europe. Chrysler used the engines in their British and Australian trucks, eventually offering the small V-8 in some of their medium duty U.S. trucks. One of the largest users of the V-6 was Ford, as it was one of the first diesels available in the F series in the mid-60's. https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31209-when-the-dodge-boys-sold-trucks-down-under/ 7M, I remember whenCummins announced those V6/V8 engines in the 60's. The code word for these was Vim and Val-not sure which was the 6 or the 8. I did not think they ever were offered in a Ford as that article implies. And for sure I don't think they had any relationship to the later V-8 midrange Cummins which I believe initially were offered at 210 HP and 220 Hp and then they "morphed" into the 555..Triple Nickel. We had a lot of the 210's in White 9000 single axle tractors and Mack steel nose DM's that met NYC specs ..3000 gal steel tanks. When I became my region's vehicle staff guy I replaced the Whites with Louisvilles-LN-9000's. 6-71's at 238 HP and Rt-910 RR. The drivers loved the change. I think I paid under $20,000 for those- I think 1972-73...Hard to believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Yes, there was a VAL, a VIM, a VALE, who knows what it all stood for. Not sure to what extent they were related to the 555's, but they looked similar. The 555's had pretty much disappeared from the option lists of all the major truck manufacturers by the mid-70's, but Cummins brought the engine back with a turbo as the VT-225 in the late 70's. I think Ford passed on them but starting in 1980 GM offered the VT-225 in their medium duty conventionals for about 6 months. The engine really didn't fit in the GM truck and was so difficult to install it significantly slowed the assembly line down at Pontiac East every time one came down the line. Needless to say it was dropped from the option list but quick (replaced by the Cat 3208T I believe). Funny I saw a lot of Dodge short-nose conventionals with the 555 in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Jim Farley recently issued a statement on the likely need for consolidations throughout the industry. He also made this statement; “And it’ll be cascaded by region. I think that’s pretty easy to see. I think the more likely scenario is partnerships. We learned a lot from Volkswagen. After 120 years, we have a lot of partnerships. Ford Otosan has been one of the stellar partnerships we’ve had. We’ve learned a lot about what works and doesn’t on partnerships.” First time I've ever heard Farley or anyone at Dearborn make a statement that Ford Otosan exists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 For Ford, Otosan has been the partnership exception rather than the rule. If it wasn't for the Transit Ford would be long gone from Europe now, and without Otosan, there would be no Transit for Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted Thursday at 06:41 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 06:41 PM On 3/19/2025 at 9:40 AM, Bob Rosadini said: Jim Farley recently issued a statement on the likely need for consolidations throughout the industry. He also made this statement; “And it’ll be cascaded by region. I think that’s pretty easy to see. I think the more likely scenario is partnerships. We learned a lot from Volkswagen. After 120 years, we have a lot of partnerships. Ford Otosan has been one of the stellar partnerships we’ve had. We’ve learned a lot about what works and doesn’t on partnerships.” First time I've ever heard Farley or anyone at Dearborn make a statement that Ford Otosan exists! Yeah Bob! I was shocked when I read it the other day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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