nruggiero Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 There's no press release. http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/2016/ They look pretty darn sharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Very interesting.... Looks like they're keeping the SD cab bits, as with the prev. 650/750. Providing a full Ford powertrain---wonder how that's going to go over. Also, with the 'more CA clean' options---are they going to offer other powerplants besides the Ford gas, CNG and diesel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nruggiero Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 It would be nice if Ford bought Bluebird Bus. International and Freightliner pretty much own this segment, and they both have school bus divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Notice the Super Duty in the grill surround? Looks good and keeps the family look. CA clean options will probably be CNG fueled. Big push for that out there. My question is will these trucks meet SmartWay requirements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Notice the Super Duty in the grill surround? Looks good and keeps the family look. I noticed that--I think it actually wears it better than the "smaller" Super Duties. I've not been a fan of the recent SD noses, but it works on these models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 No, 'clean CA' means the chassis has no protrusions (battery boxes, fuel tanks) from the cab to the rear axle, to make vocational body mounting easier. No worries with California emissions, both the V-10 and 6.7L Powerstroke are certified in lighter GVW vehicles in California. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nruggiero Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Very interesting.... Looks like they're keeping the SD cab bits, as with the prev. 650/750. It really needs a taller cab for better visibility. Edited March 4, 2014 by nruggiero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/04/ford-unveils-all-new-2016-f-650-f-750-ntea/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Wow. It looks like there is no more Cummins diesels, Allison automatic or other manual transmissions. Interesting spin Ford is putting on this, as if it was an advantage. I think a lot of fleets will not quite see it that way. Ford also seems to have a lot of faith in the Torq-Shift transmission, it will be very interesting to see max. GCW's on these trucks, particularly the tractors. Looks like it might be the half-effort we were all afraid of, we will have to wait and see exactly what will be offered and how the trucks can be configured. I just hope for the sake of the Avon Lake employees that the thing will be around for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 IMO, very disappointing. They stole a page from Henry's book-"Any color as long as its black". The press release says it all...."F-750 tractor for heavy towing"..Huh-who writes this stuff? Its a TRACTOR- it pulls trailers! But guess what, It won't be pulling any 27' pups that say..ABF, or Old Dominion or UPS or Coca Cola etc. etc. Rather it will pull Reginald's polo ponies, or tow Harry's camper trailer etc. Bottom line those who said this was nothing but a gift to the UAW for the last contract are probably correct. Are they bringing class 6 and 7 back to the US? Yes-contract paid in full. Will this half assed approach increase sales? Certainly not to the degree that it would have had they given buyers a reasonable choice-like a real truck diesel, a real choice of transmissions etc. Notice no mention of .."up to class 8? I guess that means the 37,000 lb option is dead- can't imagine a Power Stroke/Torqueshift combination at 37,000lbs getting out of warranty before it grenades all over the road. I'm sure a 6.7 Power Stroke/Torqueshift will satisfy some classes of trade. But I'm sure the marketers at Paccar, Navistar F'liner and even Hino are resting easy tonite SOS from Ford. Have to admit, the headlights are gorgeous! Headed to the barn to sit in my B-61X! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94bronco Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 This will be the first use of the V10 with the 6 Speed Torqshift, is this a precursor to the mighty V10 returning to the whole SD lineup? One would have to wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 This will be the first use of the V10 with the 6 Speed Torqshift, is this a precursor to the mighty V10 returning to the whole SD lineup? One would have to wonder. The V-10/Torqueshift has been available for quite a while now in 650 and has been selling well-at 26,000lbs GVW or less. It can make sense for those who have low annual mileage and minimal gross weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Does this count as one of the 16 new releases this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Wow. It looks like there is no more Cummins diesels, Allison automatic or other manual transmissions. Interesting spin Ford is putting on this, as if it was an advantage. I think a lot of fleets will not quite see it that way. Ford also seems to have a lot of faith in the Torq-Shift transmission They're giving the things a 5 year/250,000 mile warranty (50k miles per year)--so I think they're putting their money where their mouth is on this one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 They should have made the Blue Oval bigger. Other than that I like the way it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ok Ford...nice re-work...now, lets see a "Low Cab Forward" design on the chassis to really dominate in Class 6, 7, and entry 8.....something along the lines of Transit or Cargo..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Here is a clip of the autonomous test driver they reference in the presser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) I wonder if Ford is seeing what I've been seeing around here--single-make fleets. I just saw an example this morning, with a company I've seen doing lots of utility projects (laying gas pipe in some areas and, the one I saw today, moving the utility poles back in prepartion for widening the highway)--they have several F650s/750s, but they have even more F250s and F350s, and having common powertrains among their fleet would certainly be a benefit for them. Obviously, if you're running a mixed fleet, the new powertrains won't help, but I wonder which groups are buying more trucks? Edited March 5, 2014 by SoonerLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Please tell me there will be more ratings for the 6.7L Powerstroke in these trucks other than 270 h.p./600 ft. lbs.. SoonerLS does bring up a good point, sharing engines with the smaller Super Duties will be a plus for some fleets. No question that has sold a lot of Cummins powered Ram 4500/5500's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Please tell me there will be more ratings for the 6.7L Powerstroke in these trucks other than 270 h.p./600 ft. lbs.. SoonerLS does bring up a good point, sharing engines with the smaller Super Duties will be a plus for some fleets. No question that has sold a lot of Cummins powered Ram 4500/5500's. I don't know much about all this, but why would the ratings for this be different from the Super Duty's ratings (440 hp, 860 ft lbs)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The SAE standards for testing are different for big rig engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The manufacturers always de-rate for heavier trucks so the engines and driveline components last longer. You will not see the maximum Cummins ISB rating available in a Ram 3500 in a Freightliner M2 for instance. It is also very true that the SAE rates medium/heavy duty engines at a lower r.p.m. than light duty (in this case under 10,000 GVW) engines, so you will also see discrepancies in similar engines. You can even see this in the 6.2L gas engine ratings between the F-250 and F-350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 And different duty cycle. For the pickups ratings are pretty much peak ratings while in the heavier classed the users want to see continuous ratings. Put a 20 foot full height box on an F650, load it up, and drive into a headwind. That is the kind of service seen, and the lower continuous ratings are real world ratings for that duty cycle. Big power is less important than long term low maintenance power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ah ok. Like I said, I didn't know. Thanks for the info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 They're giving the things a 5 year/250,000 mile warranty (50k miles per year)--so I think they're putting their money where their mouth is on this one. Now that IS big news-is that a fact or rumor? If fact why didn't they put that in the press release??? Does that apply to ALL applications and HP ratings? That is what the "naysayers"-like myself-have to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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