akirby Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 This reminds me of the Yogi Berra line.... Nobody goes there any more - it's too crowded! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 ugh....hearing, and gut tells me, Addendums on the 350s may be somewhat higher than 10k over....I hate prepping for hostile showroom visitors..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) @akirby stick to the subject, no ones even mentioned Cabo in this thread...lol, ...almost as bad is a local dealer that plomped a 50k over addendum on their 50th Anniversary.......sad to say the number 25 is being thrown around on the 350's....ARRRRRG! Edited June 11, 2015 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Seems like there's a sucker born every minute, and all the Ford dealers in Orange County, California are determined to get rich off of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 @akirby stick to the subject, no ones even mentioned Cabo in this thread...lol, ...almost as bad is a local dealer that plomped a 50k over addendum on their 50th Anniversary.......sad to say the number 25 is being thrown around on the 350's....ARRRRRG! 25K added to the price of a GT350? :hysterical: Isn't it bad enough that they made the car a two door Taurus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I watched interest wane severely in its last product year, that never happened with the Raptor Happened with the GT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I watched interest wane severely in its last product year, that never happened with the Raptor...we literally bought units from dealers outside of California to supply demand and still fetched over MSRP. I don't think you can compare the GT500 to the Raptor. The Raptor. The Raptor is much more practical for most people. Sure, it's built to run the desert, but it can also haul a family of 5 while towing the travel trailer on the weekend (just ask NLPRacing), not to mention haul a load of supplies home from Home Depot. It has a much broader audience and serves as a more useful toy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I don't think you can compare the GT500 to the Raptor. The Raptor. The Raptor is much more practical for most people. Sure, it's built to run the desert, but it can also haul a family of 5 while towing the travel trailer on the weekend (just ask NLPRacing), not to mention haul a load of supplies home from Home Depot. It has a much broader audience and serves as a more useful toy. AND it's automatic. AND it's import-proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 And I'd point out that Ford planned on building 4,500 GTs and only built 4,038. And the last GTs were sold in Feb. 2007, five months after production stopped (Sept. 2006) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 GT was too bold for its time...165K....now look...crazy...a GULF version went for 350k the other day...papillgee, I hear you, actually makes me uncomfortable to tell the truth...mentally I can justify 10k on that car for 2015, 15 as a stretch...25k?....nope, sorry.....that said, I would bet the farm on a few making their way overseas for a hell of a lot more than what they are purchased for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 and actually Rich, as soon as rumours of the GTs production being halted...they sold very quickly..... ironically, most of ours were purchased by............Plumbers!!!!!!!!!!!! go figure?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 and actually Rich, as soon as rumours of the GTs production being halted...they sold very quickly..... ironically, most of ours were purchased by............Plumbers!!!!!!!!!!!! go figure?.... But they didn't Dean. Not nationally. Ford announced---publicly announced--the end of the GT at the beginning of February 2006. That's not the rumors. That's the announced end of production. They were still selling GTs a year later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) hell, ours moved pretty quick, and once again we started purchasing out of state ..another case of demographics?...its like California has its own car sales bubble....Flex's, you betcha! Edited June 11, 2015 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Let's look at the vehicles we're talking about again: 1) GT - limited run, high priced, exclusive super car. 2) Raptor - specialized version of a pickup truck, available in supercab and supercrew. And 3) GT500 - a specialized version of Mustang, of which they made thousands. I think the reality is, no matter what, the first of a specialized product will demand higher prices, sometimes over MSRP - because people want it then, and are willing to pay more for them because they're new. And over time, as more and more people acquire them, demand drops, and prices come down until the model is replaced. I think the comparisons to the GT are out of line - of course they could demand over MSRP for that, be it when they were at the dealer or now. Now, let's look at the Raptor. It's F-150-based....you know, the best selling vehicle, period. It can act as a primary vehicle for a potential customer, so I think demand and sales reflect that. Now look at the GT500...it's based on the Mustang, itself likely a 3rd car for most people. While it's priced within reach of "average" people (not GT category), I think this type of car is most susceptible to that initial high demand, and trailing off prices and demand toward the end of its lifecycle. I don't think anyone is arguing that the GT500 has lost a bit of its luster toward the end of the 2014 run....but with all the hype about the new Mustang and it's coming performance variants, why would someone want the old one, ESPECIALLY at 20K over sticker now - that's just absurd. It's not at all surprising that it's still sitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 going to be interesting for sure watching how Fords new Halo market is embraced by the public...Im sure some will scream at asking prices for sure...the new GT for sure, but I am curious as what the response will be the the Focus RS, and whatever else Ford has up their sleves...sure is a good time to be a car enthusiast...ESPECIALLY a FORD one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The Ford brand has also gone over a huge transformation over the past few years too, though. So I don't think it'll be as "difficult" (for lack of a better word) as you'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 lot better decision making IMO. They did something a certain domestic competitor did not...concentrated on the meat and potatoes before the "desert"...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat501 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) The end of the GT and the end of the GT500 are 2 vastly different situations. Everyone knew that there would not soon be another GT offered . . . . . . . meanwhile everyone and their mother knew that another Mustang (supposedly vastly improved with IRS, lighter weight and possibly the most gorgeous styling ever seen by man -- at least 1 of those items came true) would be available next model year. Common sense tells me, shoot I better get my GT cuz who knows how long before they make another one, if ever. Common sense also tells me, with the sales success of the 2007-2013 halo Mustang heck Ford will be making another halo Mustang really soon and it will be based on the improved Mustang platform. It's easy to wait knowing a replacement version is right around the corner with possibly some very nice intrinsic improvements If you want to categorize that as having lost its luster then so be it. If Ford had said at the end of the model run of 2014 GT500s that there would be no super high performance Mustang produced for years to come then you'd better believe that those 2014 GT500s would all be gone long ago. What about the Raptor? How does the end of the last Raptor compare? To me, expectations for reading the tea leaves after the end of the all-steel Raptor was somewhere in-between the GT & the GT500. Sales success of the Raptors told you, much like the halo Mustang, that Ford would be crazy not to produce another one but the switch to aluminum placed enough doubt about the future to make some treat it like the end of the Raptor line (i.e. the mindset that either an aluminum Raptor would not perform like a rugged steel bodied one or simply that aluminum would not allow Ford to build a Raptor class vehicle to their satisfaction and Ford would certainly not run a special line to build all steel based Raptors). In reality it turns out that: 1) the halo Mustang will not even skip a year, yes the 137 GT350/Rs will have a 2015 VIN code but realistically the common man has no chance to get a hold of one so let's say there will be 1 model year skipped 2) the Raptor will skip 2 model years 3) the GT skipped about 10 model years Edited June 12, 2015 by TopCat501 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Good post TopCat. Frankly they're all ridiculously over priced even before some dealership adds on some "fair market value" nonsense. I'd buy a good solid used entry level pickup truck before I'd pay for any of this new stuff that isn't worth the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 You obviously haven't priced good used entry level pickup trucks lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 You obviously haven't priced good used entry level pickup trucks lately. Yes I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'd buy a good solid used entry level pickup truck before I'd pay for any of this new stuff that isn't worth the money. AKA I can't afford it or I'm too cheap to spend the money it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 call me cheap as well if you wish...I will NOT spend $800 on a car payment, add gas and insurance you are looking well into $1000 plus, my mental hurdle is $350, then again with two mortgages my focus is elsewhere..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 AKA I can't afford it or I'm too cheap to spend the money it... What Deanh said fool. I have better things to spend money on than some overpriced brand new truck. I can get a good used one for a reasonable price. Waste your own money if you want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 All comes down to desirability versus value/worth. Both subjective and observable and, though they overlap, they're not one and the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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