rmc523 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Why would a new model not help sales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Because it doesn't look as good as the current model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Because it doesn't look as good as the current model. Um, that's your opinion. Mine is that the new one is a fine improvement, especially with the revised greenhouse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 To each his own but I think you're in the minority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 To each his own but I think you're in the minority. For sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I could see replacing it with a LWB Fusion with a larger trunk. That would be down right stupid to do since the Chinese Taurus is nothing more then a stretched out CD4 already! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Because it doesn't look as good as the current model. Nothing a new facia couldn't fix...minor tweaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 The new taurus is a bit vanilla but so are most things in this segment. A little work on the front end would make a world of difference. I believe the new model would sell better in the US because of the improvements in interior packaging and hopefully a little increase in materials used on the doors and dash. The current car is HUGE but doesn't feel very big inside due to its platform roots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 That would be down right stupid to do since the Chinese Taurus is nothing more then a stretched out CD4 already! But why have two models? A single model with 2 wheelbases would be easier and cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 But why have two models? A single model with 2 wheelbases would be easier and cheaper. Because it's already been made. Already done. As I said before, if the new Taurus didn't exist, I'd agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Because it's already been made. Already done. As I said before, if the new Taurus didn't exist, I'd agree with you. I'm talking about the next generation which I assume will all be CD6. Neither one exists yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Ah. Well I didn't realize that. Well in that context, I dot entirely disagree. It'll be interesting to see how the Chinese market responds to the Taurus. Who knows, it may do well enough there to justify further/future investment. Edited July 20, 2015 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 How long was the full size Ford a Panther based Crown Vic or Grand Marquis? The market the full size Taurus caters to in the US is mainly fleet, law enforcement, and I hate to say it... but old people. The current one with a facelift could easily last another 3-4 years. It's not a great thing if you love full size cars, but compared to how long Ford kept the Panther going the D3 Taurus is hardly a teenager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) However: Taurus volume in Chicago prevents more profitable PIU/Explorer production. Adding a CD4 Taurus to Flat Rock allows for greater volume amortization on "invisible" stampings for the Conti (floorpan, subframe bits), and opens up a few thousand units per month of extra Explorer/PIU volume. Essentially, your added costs are the unique stampings for CD4 Taurus, which are offset by reduced costs on the Conti and higher revenue/gross per unit coming out of Chicago. Edited July 21, 2015 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 However: Taurus volume in Chicago prevents more profitable PIU/Explorer production. Adding a CD4 Taurus to Flat Rock allows for greater volume amortization on "invisible" stampings for the Conti (floorpan, subframe bits), and opens up a few thousand units per month of extra Explorer/PIU volume. Essentially, your added costs are the unique stampings for CD4 Taurus, which are offset by reduced costs on the Conti and higher revenue/gross per unit coming out of Chicago. That's a good point I didn't think of until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I still prefer the styling of the current, if ancient, D3 Taurus to this new CD4 one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 However: Taurus volume in Chicago prevents more profitable PIU/Explorer production. Adding a CD4 Taurus to Flat Rock allows for greater volume amortization on "invisible" stampings for the Conti (floorpan, subframe bits), and opens up a few thousand units per month of extra Explorer/PIU volume. Essentially, your added costs are the unique stampings for CD4 Taurus, which are offset by reduced costs on the Conti and higher revenue/gross per unit coming out of Chicago. Not to mention future Aviator production (yes, I know there'll be a platform change, etc., but if they get Taurus out of Chicago now, that's one less thing to do then). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I still prefer the styling of the current, if ancient, D3 Taurus to this new CD4 one. Outside of the front fascia on the CD4 Taurus, I like it better...the problem with the D3 is that when you see it in person, its massive (height and width) vs other sedans like the Fusion. It looks ok, but the interior space has issues...the smaller Fusion offers similar space with a better layout (at least in the floor pan area) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Burbach Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 curious, what is Chinas fixation with long wheelbases....last I looked Americans were a substantially larger ethnicity they like to be driven. it's a cultural thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Burbach Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 "Speaking with The Wall Street Journal, Ford global manufacturing chief John Fleming said the Continental would be built at Ford’s Flat Rock Assembly Plant in Michigan. The plant is currently responsible for the Mustang and Fusion, and adopting Continental production shouldn’t be a problem as the new sedan has been designed around a stretched version of the Fusion’s CD4 platform." While it is likely to be built on the CD4, there is no more evidence of that than for it being built on a stretched Mustang platform, so it is NOT confirmed to be a CD4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 "Speaking with The Wall Street Journal, Ford global manufacturing chief John Fleming said the Continental would be built at Ford’s Flat Rock Assembly Plant in Michigan. The plant is currently responsible for the Mustang and Fusion, and adopting Continental production shouldn’t be a problem as the new sedan has been designed around a stretched version of the Fusion’s CD4 platform." While it is likely to be built on the CD4, there is no more evidence of that than for it being built on a stretched Mustang platform, so it is NOT confirmed to be a CD4 It's been confirmed, just not publicly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 It's been confirmed, just not publicly. And just to clarify, does "stretched CD4" = CD6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 And just to clarify, does "stretched CD4" = CD6? CD6 is supposed to be an uber FWD/AWD/RWD capable platform that has some basis in the CD4 platform. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 CD6 is supposed to be an uber FWD/AWD/RWD capable platform that has some basis in the CD4 platform. So if the new Continental is not on CD6, do we know yet which model will be the first to debut on CD6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 So if the new Continental is not on CD6, do we know yet which model will be the first to debut on CD6? No. CD6 hasn't even been publicly acknowledged yet. Its existence was revealed by a former engineer on LinkedIn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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