akirby Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Seems like cooler waether helps, but what can be done long term? 6F35 just like all the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Seems like cooler waether helps, but what can be done long term? Guess Ford will go to CVT's or 'liquid' trans in 2018. 7DCT300 6F35 just like all the rest. offered on the EB10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Four years worth of glitchy problem ridden Powershifts on the used car market will do wonders for Focus resale values, right when Ford will try to convince buyers to buy another new one....... Resale value, who in their right mind would want to buy someone else's problems? Meanwhile, the rest of the world has already moved to a better commercial product in the 1.5 Ecoboost and Fusion 6-speed auto.... those customers are to be envied. We have a 2005 Focus SE sedan with 220,000 largely trouble-free miles (we've had a few major repairs over the last six months, but before that the car gave no major problems). I love the styling of the new Focus, but there is no way we'll be buying another one until we're sure that this transmission issue is really resolved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibinubu12 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 There is no 6F15... 6F35 is the lowest torque rated version of the Ford-GM 6 speed transmission. It is used in Focus 1.0 Ecoboost and 1.5 Ecoboost as well. Absolutely not true. The 1.0L I3 in the North American Focus is paired to either the B6 manual or the 6F15 automatic. The 6F15 launched in China on the Chinese Escort, produced at Chongqing Tranmsission Plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 We have a 2005 Focus SE sedan with 220,000 largely trouble-free miles (we've had a few major repairs over the last six months, but before that the car gave no major problems). I love the styling of the new Focus, but there is no way we'll be buying another one until we're sure that this transmission issue is really resolved. This is what makes this so bad. The Focus was a reliable car until they did this. For all the great things Alan Mullally did for Ford, the thing he did wrong was force tech into cars ready or not. The 787 for Boeing was more of the same. How many problems and delays did that have? The Focus became Ford's 787. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Yet JPD The EB15 cannot not meet the FE targets at the same cost of the 2.0/DCT combo. What's the point if the gearbox can't be made to work properly. None of what you said matters if buyers lose faith in the product. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Yet JPD The EB15 cannot not meet the FE targets at the same cost of the 2.0/DCT combo. Does that cost include the huge warranty costs incurred to Ford because of the DCT? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 If Ford sticks with the DCT in the next-gen Fiesta and Focus, maybe use a wet-clutch unit and recoup the 1 MPG difference with other improvements? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Right now Mazda builds a better Focus with the 3. It's got a better powertrain (MTX with 6 forward gears, WTF Ford) and arguably better styling, all on basically the same chassis. I think the Mazda 3 hatchback in the red paint is stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Right now Mazda builds a better Focus with the 3. It's got a better powertrain (MTX with 6 forward gears, WTF Ford) and arguably better styling, all on basically the same chassis. I think the Mazda 3 hatchback in the red paint is stunning. All the literature and analysis I've seen basically states that the 3 is on a different platform altogether from the Focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Is Ford deliberately trying to kill this car off? These band-aid fixes are just driving customers away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 All the literature and analysis I've seen basically states that the 3 is on a different platform altogether from the Focus. Correct it is on a Mazda platform that I believe was derived, from all things, the 5 minivan thing which is now off the American market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) All the literature and analysis I've seen basically states that the 3 is on a different platform altogether from the Focus. I see you're right. The IRS still looks a bit "control blade-ish" though. Edited January 8, 2016 by 30 OTT 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Cheap gas is luring more truck sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 What's the point if the gearbox can't be made to work properly. None of what you said matters if buyers lose faith in the product. it does work properly it just is what some people are used to. if you look at CU's reliability ratings the DCT doesn't rate any worse than The 6F35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Shuddering is not working properly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Cheap gas is luring more truck sales. Leaving a car on the market for an extra 2 years doesn't help either. With a new Cruze, Civic, and Elantra on the market, how can We compete with a old product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Why do they keep band-aiding it? Just redesign the thing properly and fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) How many buyers go in expecting to purchase a Focus and then come away with either an Escape or a Fusion. Ford would gladly take those sales over what GM has with Cruze outselling Malibu and Trax...(no Escape competitor) PS, Thinking about the cost of changing this late in product cycle, maybe Ford NA is locked into gearbox and engines until the end of this product cycle, unlike FoE and ROW markets that are basically Euro-centric, switching to the 1.5 EB with Euro compliance would be an easy do for many of those markets, not so much for the US. FoE has always had a 1.6 EB and then 1.5 EB focus in Western Europe, so adding an auto was probably easy for them and then roll out those changes to ROW to eliminate 2.0 DI and PS. The 1.5 EB Focus is seen as more up market and more expensive compared to the competition but that doesn't seen to faze Ford, they seem to be on a mission to improve the car's image as different to the competition, maybe this car has a product cycle change after the US? Edited January 9, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 How many buyers go in expecting to purchase a Focus and then come away with either an Escape or a Fusion. How many just go and shop the competition and don't buy a Ford at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) How many just go and shop the competition and don't buy a Ford at all? 14.5 million of 17 million people that bought vehicles this last year? Myresponse was picking up on the effectiveness of Ford's sales team to use that super segment of vehicles and convert buyers to other vehicles that probably aren't that expensive by comparison, especialy when financed on 0% at 60 months? Ford probably takes those increased sales over worrying too much about Focus, heck they dropped a shift and moved those workers elsewhere to help cover work in other plants. Edited January 9, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The 1.5 EB Focus is seen as more up market and more expensive compared to the competition but that doesn't seen to faze Ford, they seem to be on a mission to improve the car's image as different to the competition, maybe this car has a product cycle change after the US? More likely on a mission to to kill off the car in the US if they don't fix the damn transmissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) More likely on a mission to to kill off the car in the US if they don't fix the damn transmissions. Not really,I think it more a case of Escape and Fusion being easier sells with low gas and easy finance. Could Focus be better and should it have a proper gearbox? sure but the realist in me thinks it's all too hard for Ford to do without tearing up contracts and blowing lots of money. PS, At the moment Ford website is advertising 2016 Focus SE and 2015 Fusion SE both at $169/mth over 36 months, offers like that make it hard to ignore the Fusion... Edited January 9, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Not really,I think it more a case of Escape and Fusion being easier sells with low gas and easy finance. Could Focus be better and should it have a proper gearbox? sure but the realist in me thinks it's all too hard for Ford to do without tearing up contracts and blowing lots of money. PS, At the moment Ford website is advertising 2016 Focus SE and 2015 Fusion SE both at $169/mth over 36 months, offers like that make it hard to ignore the Fusion... Sure it does. Unless you want a 4 door with a hatch. Can't get that in a Fusion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Sure it does. Unless you want a 4 door with a hatch. Can't get that in a Fusion though. They make Foci other than the hatch? I refuse to believe this exists. <------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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