Eric Miller Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 F-150, Super Duty and Lincoln models drove avg transaction prices in the U.S. up $1,971 y-o-y nearly 4 times over the industry avg of $506. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Ford Q1 net profit down 36%. CFO says that the rest of 2017 will be "about flat to a little bit better". That remains to be seen. http://www.businessinsider.com/ford-earnings-q1-2017-4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 FY profit expected to be $9B. 1Q North American operating margin 8.3%. https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/2017/04/1q/1q2017.pdf I think they're investing heavily in electrification, Expy/Navi, Ranger/Bronco, Focus/Fusion and CD6 stuff. Doing that much investment while increasing ATPs and maintaining a healthy market share and profit margin as sales overall are declining is nothing to dismiss. Ranger listed as 2019, Bronco 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Ranger listed as 2019, Bronco 2020. That's not really anything new, production of Ranger begins fall 2018. Bronco sometime in 2019 and reading tea leaves I get the impression it will either be Q3 or Q4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 That's not really anything new, production of Ranger begins fall 2018. Bronco sometime in 2019 and reading tea leaves I get the impression it will either be Q3 or Q4. I didn't know if Ford had publicly confirmed those dates before now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I didn't know if Ford had publicly confirmed those dates before now. They've been very vague, especially with the Bronco. They said late 2018 for the Ranger at NAIAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I didn't know if Ford had publicly confirmed those dates before now. They did at the auto show: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 FWIW I've been told Ranger SOP is November 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) Model Years '19 and '20, which often get confused with Calendar years. I predict new Ranger unveiled at 2018 Detroit Show and Bronco a year later. Edited April 27, 2017 by 630land 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Model Years '19 and '20, which often get confused with Calendar years. I predict new Ranger unveiled at 2018 Detroit Show and Bronco a year later. That sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Model Years '19 and '20, which often get confused with Calendar years. I predict new Ranger unveiled at 2018 Detroit Show and Bronco a year later. I thought they might try to push the Ranger up to first quarter of 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 FWIW I've been told Ranger SOP is November 2018 IF SOP is November 2018 it won't go on sale until early 2019 at which point it would be a 2020 model, not a 2019 model. I think 2019 and 2020 are the publicly available dates, not model years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I thought they might try to push the Ranger up to first quarter of 2018. They can't - they have to build Focii up until April or May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) IF SOP is November 2018 it won't go on sale until early 2019 at which point it would be a 2020 model, not a 2019 model. I think 2019 and 2020 are the publicly available dates, not model years. false. Production begins in 2018, so legally it can't be a 2020 model. Richard Jenson explained how that works once but I don't remember all the specifics. I do remember I has to do with the beginning of production, not the beginning of sales and preproduction trials count. Edited April 27, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I thought they might try to push the Ranger up to first quarter of 2018. They can't - they have to build Focii up until April or May. There was a weird rumor floating around about 2 months ago saying that we wouldn't be building Focuses last December, which as far as I can tell wasn't ever really much more than wishful thinking. A lot of that I think had to do with that now cancelled C-Max order for China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) false. Production begins in 2018, so legally it can't be a 2020 model. Richard Jenson explained how that works once but I don't remember all the specifics. I do remember I has to do with the beginning of production, not the beginning of sales and preproduction trials count. The rule is that a vehicle cannot be for sale on more than one January 1st. It can be produced in 2018 and sold as a 2020 model assuming it is not on sale before 1/2/2019. The 2008 Super Duty is an example. It started production in December 2016. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Super_Duty#Second_generation_.282008.E2.80.932010.29) 1997 F150 is another example. It started production November 1995. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series_(tenth_generation)) Edited April 27, 2017 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) Model Years '19 and '20, which often get confused with Calendar years. I predict new Ranger unveiled at 2018 Detroit Show and Bronco a year later. Ranger at 2018 Detroit is likely with production and sales starting in Q4 2018 (MY2019). But I'm guessing Bronco will be revealed in 2018 LA with production and sales starting in first half of 2019 (MY2020). Edited April 27, 2017 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehaase Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 FY profit expected to be $9B. 1Q North American operating margin 8.3%. https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/2017/04/1q/1q2017.pdf I think they're investing heavily in electrification, Expy/Navi, Ranger/Bronco, Focus/Fusion and CD6 stuff. The only people talking about CD6 anymore are you and the goofy emoticon lover from Ford Inside News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The rule is that a vehicle cannot be for sale on more than one January 1st. It can be produced in 2018 and sold as a 2020 model assuming it is not on sale before 1/2/2019. The 2008 Super Duty is an example. It started production in December 2016. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Super_Duty#Second_generation_.282008.E2.80.932010.29) 1997 F150 is another example. It started production November 1995. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series_(tenth_generation)) Exactly. It doesn't matter when it's produced, what matters is when it goes on sale to the public. They could make it a 2019 vehicle then bring out the 2020 model in the fall but since it's not going to start shipping until December anyway it makes sense that they would just go ahead and make it a 2020 model on sale Jan 1st. If they were able to bring it out a month earlier then I would say it definitely would be a 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The only people talking about CD6 anymore are you and the goofy emoticon lover from Ford Inside News. I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe cd6 is cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Exactly. It doesn't matter when it's produced, what matters is when it goes on sale to the public. They could make it a 2019 vehicle then bring out the 2020 model in the fall but since it's not going to start shipping until December anyway it makes sense that they would just go ahead and make it a 2020 model on sale Jan 1st. If they were able to bring it out a month earlier then I would say it definitely would be a 2019. I would like to point out that Job 1 for the 2015 Edge was late January of 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehaase Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe cd6 is cancelled. I haven't read acknowledgement from Ford that it even exists. I believe jpd80 said in the last week it was indefinitely postponed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I would like to point out that Job 1 for the 2015 Edge was late January of 2015. Bad timing. IIRC, it was late or something which caused the delay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I would like to point out that Job 1 for the 2015 Edge was late January of 2015. That was a special case (it was much later than originally scheduled), but I acknowledged it was possible. I just don't think it's likely they'll call it a 2019 if it doesn't show up until January 2019. But possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I haven't read acknowledgement from Ford that it even exists. I believe jpd80 said in the last week it was indefinitely postponed. I have personal confirmation that it existed, and we have other insider confirmation on a new platform for Explorer and Aviator that fits the timing. What I remember from what jpd80 posted was there was some talk that lots of things were put on hold but nothing specific, and I find it hard to believe Ford would cancel a new Explorer and Aviator and try to continue on with D4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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