Assimilator Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Kumar Galhotra has acknowledged that the BEV architecture underpinning the Mach-E will also support Lincoln. Not sure what that means right now...but it's something! Edited January 16, 2019 by Assimilator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Will they still show a hybrid Navigator and Corsair this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I don't think we've heard any rumors of a hybrid Navigator or Expedition yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, akirby said: I don't think we've heard any rumors of a hybrid Navigator or Expedition yet. I've gotten the impression they've gone back and forth on a Hybrid Expedition and if I had to guess any Hybrid Navigator will be similar to the Aviator GT and they probably want to see how that sells first before giving the Navigator the green light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, akirby said: I don't think we've heard any rumors of a hybrid Navigator or Expedition yet. I'm sure F-150 will be first, so we'll have to wait for any Expy/Navi hybrid until then. 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I've gotten the impression they've gone back and forth on a Hybrid Expedition and if I had to guess any Hybrid Navigator will be similar to the Aviator GT and they probably want to see how that sells first before giving the Navigator the green light. To me, it would defeat the purpose of having a "modular" hybrid system (meaning can be plugged into multiple vehicles via the 10-speed) to not have an Expy/Navi hybrid available. Especially when F-150 will be the driver of it. And, that's an "easy" way to bump up those vehicles' mileage should gas start going back up, or for performance in Navi's case (and should an efficient model be needed, maybe they have two hybrid tunes for it?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I'm sure F-150 will be first, so we'll have to wait for any Expy/Navi hybrid until then. To me, it would defeat the purpose of having a "modular" hybrid system (meaning can be plugged into multiple vehicles via the 10-speed) to not have an Expy/Navi hybrid available. Especially when F-150 will be the driver of it. And, that's an "easy" way to bump up those vehicles' mileage should gas start going back up, or for performance in Navi's case (and should an efficient model be needed, maybe they have two hybrid tunes for it?). Does the fact that Navi/Expy and F150 are not built in the same plant play a part here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, akirby said: Does the fact that Navi/Expy and F150 are not built in the same plant play a part here? Interesting thought. Didn't consider that. I think I still have to revert back to the modular comment, though. What's the point in making it modular - and more importantly shared with mega volume products like F-150 and Explorer - if you're not going to pair it with basically anything/everything that has the 10-speed? --- Regarding Lincoln/BEV, which I forgot to address - that's great news to hear. I'm wondering if it's going to also be a more dramatically styled crossover coupe. Edited January 16, 2019 by rmc523 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Interesting thought. Didn't consider that. I think I still have to revert back to the modular comment, though. What's the point in making it modular - and more importantly shared with mega volume products like F-150 and Explorer - if you're not going to pair it with basically anything/everything that has the 10-speed? --- Regarding Lincoln/BEV, which I forgot to address - that's great news to hear. I'm wondering if it's going to also be a more dramatically styled crossover coupe. I was thinking about having to store and install batteries. I agree the other parts should be plug and play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 See the Automotive News article for more info: https://www.autonews.com/world-congress/lincoln-will-derive-elegant-ev-mustang-inspired-project 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) No Hybrid Navigator or Expedition arriving with the new P702 F-150. Since the Expedition and Navigator are on the old architecture, I'm not sure that development is going to translate over anytime soon. Considering how modular the system is, a major revamp should make it possible, but I don't think the Expedition or Navigator will be related to P702 anytime soon. The Mach-E architecture is also a really good looking one with an extremely long wheelbase pushing the wheels to the corners like a Tesla. It should make for a series of sexy products from both brands. The future of design really is about proportions, it's the hallmark of modern engineering. Edited January 17, 2019 by Assimilator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I thought part of the reason it took so long to get the new Expy and Navi was because it was to share platforms with the F150 going forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.I. Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 What the Galotra´s commentary mean? Simple: a Lincoln based on the Mach E is on track. I think this electric platform is perfect for Lincoln´s the quit luxury line up. When? I speck it 1 year or so after the Mach E debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 another "tarted up" ford ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.I. Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 52 minutes ago, Gnostic said: another "tarted up" ford ? Like Audis are "tarted up" VWs... And with EVs, the bateries and the electric engines can be the same for all vehicles (sedans.. Crossovers, trucks).. the difference will be at the body, the interior, the quality of assembly, the prestige of the brand. So, that is why I think when more and more EVs come to the market and everyone run from 0 to 100 mph in 3 sec like Teslas, but in a better package, Tesla will end its life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, falconlover 1 said: Like Audis are "tarted up" VWs... And with EVs, the bateries and the electric engines can be the same for all vehicles (sedans.. Crossovers, trucks).. the difference will be at the body, the interior, the quality of assembly, the prestige of the brand. So, that is why I think when more and more EVs come to the market and everyone run from 0 to 100 mph in 3 sec like Teslas, but in a better package, Tesla will end its life. I think that was sarcasm. At least I hope it was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, falconlover 1 said: So, that is why I think when more and more EVs come to the market and everyone run from 0 to 100 mph in 3 sec like Teslas, but in a better package, Tesla will end its life. I still think Tesla could end up as a powertrain provider - eg What Cummins is to Diesel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) If anything is a tarted up version of something else it's Infinity Edited January 17, 2019 by fuzzymoomoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, sullynd said: I still think Tesla could end up as a powertrain provider - eg What Cummins is to Diesel. Or commercial/residential battery systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, akirby said: Or commercial/residential battery systems. I thought they were winding down that end of their business to focus on cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.I. Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, sullynd said: I still think Tesla could end up as a powertrain provider - eg What Cummins is to Diesel. I think the same. Tesla makes terrible cars, but makes very good powerplants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Assimilator said: No Hybrid Navigator or Expedition arriving with the new P702 F-150. Since the Expedition and Navigator are on the old architecture, I'm not sure that development is going to translate over anytime soon. Considering how modular the system is, a major revamp should make it possible, but I don't think the Expedition or Navigator will be related to P702 anytime soon. The Mach-E architecture is also a really good looking one with an extremely long wheelbase pushing the wheels to the corners like a Tesla. It should make for a series of sexy products from both brands. The future of design really is about proportions, it's the hallmark of modern engineering. Sounds incredibly stupid to not include Expy/Navi with the hybrid program. I like the understated/quiet luxury mantra, but it'd be nice to see Lincoln push the design envelope a bit when it comes to the BEV. 13 hours ago, fordmantpw said: I thought part of the reason it took so long to get the new Expy and Navi was because it was to share platforms with the F150 going forward? Well, they did debut alongside the F-150 refresh, so I guess that means they're stuck 3 years behind the F-150 refresh/redesigns? Unless they pull refreshes up a year until they're eventually synced or just a year behind F-150 to better piggy-back on its' updates. Kind of like how the GM trucks/SUVs are. Edited January 17, 2019 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) I think Expedition and Navigator will eventually get a Hybrid, hard to believe it won't. The Navigator could use the torque from a motor for sure. I assume the MCE will bring this tech but it's not on my radar yet. Edited January 17, 2019 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Assimilator said: I think Expedition and Navigator will eventually get a Hybrid, hard to believe it won't. The Navigator could use the torque from a motor for sure. I assume the MCE will bring this tech but it's not on my radar yet. I haven't heard of it either, but yeah that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. As I said earlier I imagine a Navigator Hybrid being more Aviator GT than Prius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Well, they did debut alongside the F-150 refresh, so I guess that means they're stuck 3 years behind the F-150 refresh/redesigns? Unless they pull refreshes up a year until they're eventually synced or just a year behind F-150 to better piggy-back on its' updates. Kind of like how the GM trucks/SUVs are. I thought that was because they were waiting to make sure the Al F150 was going to work before they commited to it. Or maybe they use the same resources so they need to be on an alternate schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, akirby said: I thought that was because they were waiting to make sure the Al F150 was going to work before they commited to it. Or maybe they use the same resources so they need to be on an alternate schedule. Could be some of both. Plus who knows when they restarted the Expy/Navi program - weren't they put on hold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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