blwnsmoke Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, atomcat68 said: I guess the take away from this may be that it is small and more true to the original Bronco than the "OJ" Bronco. This makes me happier. After all, if they had to cut that much off a Ranger, to get this mule to fit, it has to be somewhat small. I said it 2 years ago on here.. it is styled after the 1973 Bronco and was a 2 door at the time. Edited March 1, 2019 by blwnsmoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 minute ago, blwnsmoke said: I said it 2 years ago on here.. it is styled after the 1973 Bronco and was a 2 door at the time. I can confirm that is still the case 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Just now, fuzzymoomoo said: I can confirm that is still the case I cant wait to see a modernized 1973.. I think it will look fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I can confirm that is still the case Ford even said so, although I can’t remember the exact quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, akirby said: Ford even said so, although I can’t remember the exact quote. They confirmed the 2 door. I don't remember them ever officially saying they were using the 73 as the inspiration for the design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: They confirmed the 2 door. I don't remember them ever officially saying they were using the 73 as the inspiration for the design. I remember it being said, but I don't recall by whom, although it was someone fairly senior at Ford. It was in an article about his early Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 They have a lisencing agreement with Gateway Bronco to produce new 1973 bodies with modern 5.0 Coyote drive train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, akirby said: Ford even said so, although I can’t remember the exact quote. It helps when Ford's Design Chief, Moray Callum, rides around in a 1976 Bronco. https://www.autonews.com/article/20170116/OEM04/301169960/moray-callum-s-retro-ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: The F-series based one was the size of an Escape. Maybe in wheelbase and overall length, but the Escape is nowhere near as big as the late model Broncos in any other dimension. With a front bench seat, the Bronco seated six comfortably; I was over 6' tall and still rode comfortably in the back seat with my brother and sister, even on long trips. I'm not sure I could ride comfortably in the back seat of an Escape on a crosstown trip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 So the chassis mule we're seeing is the four door.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, SoonerLS said: Maybe in wheelbase and overall length, but the Escape is nowhere near as big as the late model Broncos in any other dimension. With a front bench seat, the Bronco seated six comfortably; I was over 6' tall and still rode comfortably in the back seat with my brother and sister, even on long trips. I'm not sure I could ride comfortably in the back seat of an Escape on a crosstown trip. I'm 5'11" and I did it in a 30 minute trip to downtown Detroit once. It was manageable but I don't think I could do more than an hour without needing to stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, jpd80 said: So the chassis mule we're seeing is the four door.. I was under the impression they both ride on the same length frame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Disregard the body completely, this is a mule. IFS for sure, and I'll bet IRS as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I was under the impression they both ride on the same length frame... Wheelbases are different...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, 7Mary3 said: Disregard the body completely, this is a mule. IFS for sure, and I'll bet IRS as well. Watts Link is more rugged for off road work and already found in Everest and Ranger Raptor. I think they will stick to what they know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Watts Link is more rugged for off road work and already found in Everest and Ranger Raptor. I think they will stick to what they know.. That was my first guess, but looking at the lengths Ford went to to camouflage the rear suspension I think they are hiding something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, 7Mary3 said: That was my first guess, but looking at the lengths Ford went to to camouflage the rear suspension I think they are hiding something new. Time will tell, actual bodies shouldn't be too far away if the tooling prove out goes well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Remind me.......is this a '21MY vehicle? From my ringside seat (and this is based on me purely watching the development of Mustangs over the years).....normally we'd see these hacked up mules at least 18 (and up to 24?) months prior to the car being launched. Prototypes are usually spotted (with heavy camo) at least 12 months out with camo-wrapped prototypes at least 6 months prior to launch.......and THEN there's normally a 6 month wait for production. Which to me means this would be more like a '22MY vehicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) December 2020, no second shift at MAP until then. Edited March 1, 2019 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.I. Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 After having seen the mule vehicle in photos, it is concluded that the development is in the very early stages. It seems that it is a 2023 or 2024 model year ... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, jpd80 said: December 2020, no second shift at MAP until then. No second shift at MAP Final. Body and Paint are on 2 shifts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Just now, falconlover 1 said: After having seen the mule vehicle in photos, it is concluded that the development is in the very early stages. It seems that it is a 2023 or 2024 model year ... ? Nope. 2020 launch as a 2021 model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: No second shift at MAP Final. Body and Paint are on 2 shifts now. So will they just increase line speed when Bronco starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, jpd80 said: So will they just increase line speed when Bronco starts? No, you misunderstood me. You are technically correct when you say MAP stays on 1 shift until the Bronco launches, but that only applies to Final Assembly. Body and Paint have been on 2 shifts since "full" Ranger production began in December and it will stay that way indefinitely as far as I've heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 That's pretty aggressive development timescales......but I know Ford now use a lot of computer modelling to reduce the amount of time spent building/driving mules/prototypes, so perhaps that will be reflected in seeing such mules later than normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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