7Mary3 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, ice-capades said: Okay. We'll see but I'll be surprised, very surprised, if Ford doesn't have an appropriate response when the time comes. The time is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: I have a feeling that this van is bigger than a Sprinter or transit. While the engine 'doghouse' is gone, the batteries had to go somewhere, and even if they are primarily under the load floor they still take up volume. Unless I am wrong, those wheels appear to be the heavy duty steel 18" wheels from the Silverado/Sierra 3500HD's and if so that gives the perspective this vehicle is closer to the size of a UPS package car. 1 hour ago, akirby said: That van appears to be a class above transit and not aimed at the same market. GM said the GVWR is under 10,000 lbs so that puts it in Class 2b, same as Transit 250, Sprinter, Promaster 2500 etc. GM is able to achieve 600 cubic feet of cargo volume by maximizing the cargo area. The competing Class 2b vans max out at around 500 cubic feet due to the engine compartment taking up to 25% of the length, and probably higher load floor to make room for drive shaft and gas tank. The standard size UPS package car uses Freightliner or Ford F59 stripped chassis so it has GVWR of 16,000 to 26,000 according to Ford's website. So there is a substantial difference between the package car and this GM van. Here is a visual comparison of the sizes. The photos are not taken from the same distance so it's not exact comparison but you can see GM's new van is closer in size to Sprinter than the package car. Also single rear wheel and 6-lug hubs indicates that it is more in common with Transit/Sprinter than the stripped chassis vans. Edited January 13, 2021 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, bzcat said: GM said the GVWR is under 10,000 lbs so that puts it in Class 2b, same as Transit 250, Sprinter, Promaster 2500 etc. GM is able to achieve 600 cubic feet of cargo volume by maximizing the cargo area. The competing Class 2b vans max out at around 500 cubic feet due to the engine compartment taking up to 25% of the length, and probably higher load floor to make room for drive shaft and gas tank. chassis vans. Im talking about overall size and cargo volume not weight or payload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 2:56 PM, Harley Lover said: Take note of the claimed range too; we've noted in prior conversations about Transit EV and Sprinter that their lower range (low 100's in Transit IIRC) are fine in the EU and probably okay in the U.S. too based on expected usage. My question is what is driving the GM choice to offer so much more range? Do they have a significant cost advantage with Ultium batteries? GM said the EV's launching this year have a 30% reduction in battery cost from the Bolt today, gen 2 that is under development has another 30% reduction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 While we know what the GVW is, we don't know what the unladen weight is. Payload is anyone's guess at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, 7Mary3 said: we don't know what the unladen weight is. African or European? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 45 minutes ago, akirby said: African or European? My favorite colour is brown. No - blue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 hours ago, bzcat said: Since the step van business is already established and they can be built on the F59 stripped chassis from Ford, it would seem like an easy way to move to EV with a Motiv Power Systems F59 EV chassis... https://www.automotive-fleet.com/128371/all-electric-powertrain-launched-for-ford-f-59-chassis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 That's a compromise. BEV delivery van chassis designed from the ground up will be lighter and more efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 hours ago, akirby said: Im talking about overall size and cargo volume not weight or payload. Fair enough but I don't think there is anything like it on the market right now, at least from an OEM solution perspective. No Class 2b van or cutaway can carry this much volume ~600 cubic feet. Fleet operators will only care that this is a Class 2b when they crunch the numbers on operating costs. Also important point someone already raised... we don't know the cost yet. That has important ramification on the total lifetime cost. Transit EV may still win the battle when you factor in acquisition cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 It's big: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/01/brightdrop-ev600-vs-ice-powered-rivals-dimensional-comparison/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 6:59 PM, 7Mary3 said: That's a compromise. BEV delivery van chassis designed from the ground up will be lighter and more efficient. I believe BEV F150 and Transit are on a purpose built BEV platform. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, akirby said: I believe BEV F150 and Transit are on a purpose built BEV platform. I was talking about the BEV F59 chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: It's big: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/01/brightdrop-ev600-vs-ice-powered-rivals-dimensional-comparison/ Big but literally the same size as LWB extended Sprinter. Slightly wider but same length (290" vs. 288") and height (106" vs" 107"). Edited January 20, 2021 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 FedEx took delivery of its first 5 BrightDrop EV600 vans today (from an overall order of 500 vans). Charging Ahead: FedEx Receives First All-Electric, Zero-Tailpipe Emissions Delivery Vehicles from BrightDrop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Brightdrop Zevo 600 mass production starts next month at the CAMI plant in Ontario, Canada. GM also announced that DHL Express Canada will be its first non U.S. customer for these vans. BrightDrop adds DHL Express as EV customer, announces start of production at CAMI plant | Modern Shipper (freightwaves.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 On 1/19/2021 at 7:41 PM, akirby said: I believe BEV F150 and Transit are on a purpose built BEV platform. Currently they are just modified versions of current platforms. Why they have some short comings which should be fixed in future generations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, jasonj80 said: Currently they are just modified versions of current platforms. Why they have some short comings which should be fixed in future generations. Thanks for confirming jasonj80. I like Ford's strategy with F-150 Lightning and eTransit, in which compromised but still "good enough" products are brought to market before competitors like GM, with BEV-optimized versions to follow. As Ford always points out in its monthly sales releases, F-150 Lightning and eTransit both have a commanding lead for sales in their respective categories nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 6 hours ago, jasonj80 said: Currently they are just modified versions of current platforms. Why they have some short comings which should be fixed in future generations. But very heavily modified versions of current platforms. They did more than just add batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, akirby said: But very heavily modified versions of current platforms. They did more than just add batteries. With F-150 Lightning and eTransit, Ford did a great job adapting existing ICE powered vehicles and turning them into the best versions of those models ever made despite their shortcomings. But as jasonj80 implied, it's a stopgap. Long term, the importance of having dedicated BEV platforms relates to profitability. The only way Ford can attain Jim Farley's 10% EBIT goal is to have BEV that are totally different from ICE vehicles in terms of design, engineering, manufacturing, and marketing. I'm optimistic that a Ford Pro business unit with 100% electric vehicles and associated software and services will compete very well with GM's Brightdrop. Edited December 6, 2022 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 On 12/5/2022 at 2:26 PM, rperez817 said: Brightdrop Zevo 600 mass production starts next month at the CAMI plant in Ontario, Canada. GM also announced that DHL Express Canada will be its first non U.S. customer for these vans. BrightDrop adds DHL Express as EV customer, announces start of production at CAMI plant | Modern Shipper (freightwaves.com) Didn’t DHL just place an order for etransits too? I like the look of the brightdrops. Would make a cool RV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, sullynd said: Didn’t DHL just place an order for etransits too? That's correct sullynd! Ford Pro and Deutsche Post DHL Group Join Forces to Electrify Last Mile Delivery Worldwide | Ford of Europe | Ford Media Center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 On 12/5/2022 at 3:26 PM, rperez817 said: Brightdrop Zevo 600 mass production starts next month at the CAMI plant in Ontario, Canada. GM also announced that DHL Express Canada will be its first non U.S. customer for these vans. BrightDrop adds DHL Express as EV customer, announces start of production at CAMI plant | Modern Shipper (freightwaves.com) the way the black plastic doesn’t continue on the door - yet it has an indentation for separation - is killing my OCD lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Brightdrop Zevo 600 vans are being added to Ryder's fleet in California, Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, and New York City starting this summer. Ryder System, Inc. - Ryder to Add BrightDrop’s Electric Vehicles to Lease and Rental Fleet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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