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GM launches commercial EV brand, with FedEx as first customer

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20 minutes ago, ice-capades said:

 

Okay. We'll see but I'll be surprised, very surprised, if Ford doesn't have an appropriate response when the time comes. 

 

The time is now.

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13 hours ago, 7Mary3 said:

 

I have a feeling that this van is bigger than a Sprinter or transit.  While the engine 'doghouse' is gone, the batteries had to go somewhere, and even if they are primarily under the load floor they still take up volume.  Unless I am wrong, those wheels appear to be the heavy duty steel 18" wheels from the Silverado/Sierra 3500HD's and if so that gives the perspective this vehicle is closer to the size of a UPS package car.  

 

1 hour ago, akirby said:

That van appears to be a class above transit and not aimed at the same market.

 

GM said the GVWR is under 10,000 lbs so that puts it in Class 2b, same as Transit 250, Sprinter, Promaster 2500 etc. GM is able to achieve 600 cubic feet of cargo volume by maximizing the cargo area. The competing Class 2b vans max out at around 500 cubic feet due to the engine compartment taking up to 25% of the length, and probably higher load floor to make room for drive shaft and gas tank.

 

The standard size UPS package car uses Freightliner or Ford F59 stripped chassis so it has GVWR of 16,000 to 26,000 according to Ford's website. So there is a substantial difference between the package car and this GM van. 

 

Here is a visual comparison of the sizes. The photos are not taken from the same distance so it's not exact comparison but you can see GM's new van is closer in size to Sprinter than the package car. Also single rear wheel and 6-lug hubs indicates that it is more in common with Transit/Sprinter than the stripped chassis vans.

 

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16 minutes ago, bzcat said:

 

 

GM said the GVWR is under 10,000 lbs so that puts it in Class 2b, same as Transit 250, Sprinter, Promaster 2500 etc. GM is able to achieve 600 cubic feet of cargo volume by maximizing the cargo area. The competing Class 2b vans max out at around 500 cubic feet due to the engine compartment taking up to 25% of the length, and probably higher load floor to make room for drive shaft and gas tank.

chassis vans.

 


Im talking about overall size and cargo volume not weight or payload.

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On 1/12/2021 at 2:56 PM, Harley Lover said:

 

Take note of the claimed range too; we've noted in prior conversations about Transit EV and Sprinter that their lower range (low 100's in Transit IIRC) are fine in the EU and probably okay in the U.S. too based on expected usage. My question is what is driving the GM choice to offer so much more range? Do they have a significant cost advantage with Ultium batteries? 


GM said the EV's launching this year have a 30% reduction in battery cost from the Bolt today, gen 2 that is under development has another 30% reduction. 

 

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While we know what the GVW is, we don't know what the unladen weight is.  Payload is anyone's guess at this point.  

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1 minute ago, 7Mary3 said:

we don't know what the unladen weight is. 


African or European?

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4 hours ago, bzcat said:

1024px-UPSvanOntario.JPG

 

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Since the step van business is already established and they can be built on the F59 stripped chassis from Ford, it would seem like an easy way to move to EV with a Motiv Power Systems F59 EV chassis...

 

https://www.automotive-fleet.com/128371/all-electric-powertrain-launched-for-ford-f-59-chassis

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That's a compromise.  BEV delivery van chassis designed from the ground up will be lighter and more efficient. 

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6 hours ago, akirby said:


Im talking about overall size and cargo volume not weight or payload.

 

Fair enough but I don't think there is anything like it on the market right now, at least from an OEM solution perspective. No Class 2b van or cutaway can carry this much volume ~600 cubic feet.

 

Fleet operators will only care that this is a Class 2b when they crunch the numbers on operating costs. 

 

Also important point someone already raised... we don't know the cost yet. That has important ramification on the total lifetime cost. Transit EV may still win the battle when you factor in acquisition cost. 

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