fuzzymoomoo Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Chrisgb said: Probably wouldn't have made much difference, but MAP has had a lot of Ranger idle time this quarter. We've been building at the same ratio that was always planned..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 7 hours ago, fordmantpw said: Economies of scale. The Maverick shares a lot with the Escape and Bronco Sport. Not to mention, they don't have to put $3k on the hood to sell them. The Maverick does not benefit any more from economies of scale than did Fusion which shared its platform and most of its interior with the Edge. Nothing has $3K rebates now other than possibly the Ecosport. You’re comparing a brand new model to a neglected one that was long in the tooth which is apples/oranges. The Maverick is a very good vehicle, I wonder though if Ford is making any money on the base and XLT models that sell for less than $30K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Trader 10 said: The Maverick does not benefit any more from economies of scale than did Fusion which shared its platform and most of its interior with the Edge. Nothing has $3K rebates now other than possibly the Ecosport. You’re comparing a brand new model to a neglected one that was long in the tooth which is apples/oranges. The Maverick is a very good vehicle, I wonder though if Ford is making any money on the base and XLT models that sell for less than $30K. C2 supports more vehicles globally than CD3/4 did C2 sales are well over 1 million per year, if not 2 million. CD3 probably never went past 750k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: C2 supports more vehicles globally than CD3/4 did C2 sales are well over 1 million per year, if not 2 million. CD3 probably never went past 750k. I’m sure it does although most of the sales would be non U.S. as the U.S. C2 vehicles are on pace to sell less than 350k this year. Regardless, I doubt that economies of scale for a volume of 750K would differ much from 1 - 2 million, particularly when the bigger volume is spread over more models and countries which will require additional differentiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, akirby said: Fusion was just as unique as all the others, which is to say not very unique at all. Sedans just don’t offer much opportunity for differentiation and option packages compared to trucks and utes. This is true and to a degree, Ford was caught refreshing/renewing European Focus, escape and Mondeo for North America, those evolved designs while cost effective in the early 2010s. I would argue that Ford took too long unifying the company and by the time they did, those Euro based designs were already running out of time as buyers moving onto utilities but particular kinds that Mulally banned discussing - Bronco & Ranger we could have had years ago. Edited July 7, 2022 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, ausrutherford said: C2 supports more vehicles globally than CD3/4 did C2 sales are well over 1 million per year, if not 2 million. CD3 probably never went past 750k. Originally, C1 and EUCD were very close cousins, even CD4 shared a lot of the power train transmissions and electrical switchgear plus all were developed to use a standardised construction process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ausrutherford said: On top of that the new enlarged Mondeo is now C2 based so all the arguments about scales of economy are there if Ford wants to chose more products - I realise that they don’t need them, not essential btw Edited July 7, 2022 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slemke Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Trader 10 said: I’m sure it does although most of the sales would be non U.S. as the U.S. C2 vehicles are on pace to sell less than 350k this year. Regardless, I doubt that economies of scale for a volume of 750K would differ much from 1 - 2 million, particularly when the bigger volume is spread over more models and countries which will require additional differentiation. Think engineering and product development cost. Spread that over 2x the number of vehicles and you have considerable savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) JULY 1 INVENTORY: Aviator........................... 2,200 Corsair/MKC..................3,600 Nautilus/MKX ................3,100 Navigator.......................1,800 Mustang ........................5,200 Bronco ..........................15,300 Bronco Sport .................10,800 E-series van...................8,600 EcoSport (I)...................5,700 Edge ..............................9,200 Escape...........................16,800 Expedition .....................12,400 Explorer......................... 29,700 F series ..........................124,600 Maverick........................ 8,400 Mustang Mach-E ...........6,700 Ranger .......................... 7,800 Transit ...........................17,500 Transit Connect.............3,500 Edited July 7, 2022 by jpd80 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 13 hours ago, ausrutherford said: C2 supports more vehicles globally than CD3/4 did C2 sales are well over 1 million per year, if not 2 million. CD3 probably never went past 750k. C2 is a further development of C1. CD3 was Mazda based. CD4 is a Ford platform that is a further development of EUCD. EUCD shared a lot of development with C1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 (edited) Of special note, F Series inventory is now above 124,000 or 30,000 more than previous months. That augers well for this month’s sales going well over 60,000. Edited July 8, 2022 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 On 7/6/2022 at 5:08 PM, Trader 10 said: The Maverick does not benefit any more from economies of scale than did Fusion which shared its platform and most of its interior with the Edge. Nothing has $3K rebates now other than possibly the Ecosport. You’re comparing a brand new model to a neglected one that was long in the tooth which is apples/oranges. The Maverick is a very good vehicle, I wonder though if Ford is making any money on the base and XLT models that sell for less than $30K. edge never shared anything interior wise with Fusion aside from the company-wide switchgear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: edge never shared anything interior wise with Fusion aside from the company-wide switchgear. Gauge cluster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: edge never shared anything interior wise with Fusion aside from the company-wide switchgear. Edge Fusion They look to me like they share quite a bit including the IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, rmc523 said: edge never shared anything interior wise with Fusion aside from the company-wide switchgear. 4 hours ago, Trader 10 said: Edge Fusion They look to me like they share quite a bit including the IP. Edge had identical interior as S-Max. Edited July 10, 2022 by bzcat 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Ford Canada Q2 Sales: Aviator........................... 481 Corsair/MKC..................726 Nautilus/MKX ................717 Navigator........................463 Mustang ........................1,217 Bronco ........................…2,212 Bronco Sport .................3,762 E-series van.................…..558 EcoSport (I).................……347 Edge ...............................4,965 Escape............................9,496 Expedition .....................1,135 Explorer..........................4,679 F series ........................32,222 Maverick........................ 2,518 Mustang Mach-E ...........1,133 Ranger .......................... 1,255 Transit ...........................3,825 Transit Connect………….…..388 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 7/9/2022 at 7:38 PM, Trader 10 said: Edge Fusion They look to me like they share quite a bit including the IP. You need to get your eyes checked then. Aside from switchgear and gauge cluster, they don't share anything. They may have similar visual design cues/themes, but that's far from being the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 June Production numbers Ford Explorer……………………………….……17,366 Lincoln Aviator…………………………….……..1,963 Chicago……………………………………..………19,329 Ford Mustang Mach-E……………………...4,846 Cuautitlan, Mexico…………………………….4,846 Ford F-Series……………………….…………..20,035 Dearborn Mich………………………..……….20,035 Ford F-Series chassis…………………..….1,875 Detroit Chassis…………………………………1,875 Ford Mustang…………………………………..7,896 Flat Rock, Mich……….……………………….7,896 Ford Bronco Sport…………….………….10,360 Maverick…………………………………………..7,539 Total Hermosillo, Mexico…..….…….17,899 Ford Transit………………………………………6,474 Ford F-Series………………………………….26,276 Total Kansas City………………………….32,750 Ford F-Series Super Duty……………..29,038 Ford Expedition…………………………….…6,202 Lincoln Navigator………………….………..1,634 Kentucky Truck (Louisville)…………36,874 Ford Escape……………………………..…..20,068 Lincoln Corsair…………………………..……3,985 Louisville………………………………………..24,053 Ford Bronco……………………………………12,909 Ford Ranger…………………………..…………4,934 Michigan Assembly………………………17,843 Ford GT…………………………………………..……..21 Multimatic (Markham, Ontario)………….21 Ford Edge………………………………….……..7,484 Lincoln Nautilus…………………….…………2,727 Oakville, Ontario……………………………..10,211 Ford E-Series…………………………………….4,091 Ford F-Series Super Duty…………………1,769 Ford Medium (F-650/F-750)………………888 Ohio Assembly (Avon Lake)……………6,748 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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