Mach 4 Trademark Filing Suggests Four Door Ford Mustang Incoming

[Andrew L]

I still think a Lincoln sedan makes far more sense than a Mustang sedan

[akirby]

6 minutes ago, Andrew L said:

I still think a Lincoln sedan makes far more sense than a Mustang sedan

if you’re doing one you might as well do both.   Flat Rock certainly has the capacity.  I would think the Lincoln would use the Aviator 3.0LEB rather than the Coyote.

[The Handler]

49 minutes ago, Andrew L said:

I still think a Lincoln sedan makes far more sense than a Mustang sedan

But should it be a generic sports sedan or something special like a CLS-like Mark IX 4-door coupe? 

[jpd80]

40 minutes ago, The Handler said:

But should it be a generic sports sedan or something special like a CLS-like Mark IX 4-door coupe? 

Sounds more like Cadillac CT4 or CT5 type situation….

[DeluxeStang]

1 hour ago, Andrew L said:

I still think a Lincoln sedan makes far more sense than a Mustang sedan

Who's to say you can't do both? Hell, do a Lincoln version of the normal mustang coupe while you're at it. The profit margins on a Lincoln coupe and sedan using an already developed mustang platform would be pretty solid, and would elevate the brand's image. 

 

This could even be how we see the return of the RWD Lincoln Continental a lot of people wanted. 

[DeluxeStang]

17 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

Sounds more like Cadillac CT4 or CT5 type situation….

https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-is-benchmarking-cadillac-ct4-v-blackwing-as-mustang-sedan-rumors-heat-up

 

Just to confirm that, look what Ford was benchmarking last year. 

[jpd80]

55 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:

Who's to say you can't do both? Hell, do a Lincoln version of the normal mustang coupe while you're at it. The profit margins on a Lincoln coupe and sedan using an already developed mustang platform would be pretty solid, and would elevate the brand's image. 

 

This could even be how we see the return of the RWD Lincoln Continental a lot of people wanted. 

I still think it’s a big ask to get a Mustang Mach 4 over the line let alone

resurrect the Continentals recent dead corpse for another go around.

Its like seeing a discarded CT6 stogie on the pavement and picking it

up for a puff or two…

[tbone]

9 hours ago, akirby said:

So that’s $60k - $70k in today’s money.  A 530i 2.0L starts at $60k.  A loaded 540i goes for $80k and only has 375 hp.  No reason a Mustang sedan can’t start at $65k with 350 hp and go up from there.

 

9 hours ago, akirby said:

I was only going by what C&D said,  I would expect it to start mid $40ks.

I was beginning to think you were smoking crack.  

[tbone]

7 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

I wonder if the higher end performance variants would run the predator motor. Imagine a sedan with 800 plus hp haha. 

We can only hope so.  
 

6 hours ago, jpd80 said:

The point of interest that nobody talks about is how the rear seating is set up.

In order to make this a practical four door, the rear seat position needs to be moved

from where it currently is, in between the rear wheel tubs to forward of this position

like a conventional sedan has……not changing that will be an utter waste of time.

 

 

I think the rear silhouette of the BMW 8 Series Gran Coupe shows how this would work well with the Mustang in order to accommodate this change esthetically.  
 

[T-dubz]

I don’t have anything against a mustang sedan, I just don’t get the point. Ford moved away from sedans for a reason. 
 

Most sport sedans seem to be souped up versions of “regular” sedans. They are also usually luxury vehicles because that’s really the only market that will pay big bucks for a sedan. More affordable sport sedans like the Kia stinger haven’t faired too well.
 

I think you guys are way off on price too. The focus RS would be nearly $50k in today’s dollars. Here are some other sport sedan prices:

 

Civic Type R - $46k

CT5-V black wing - $99k

CT4-V black wing - $64k

integra type s -$54k

tlx type s - $59k

m3 - $77k

Audi rs7 - $130k

Corolla GR - $40k

panamera - $105k

elantra N - $35k

 

I’m guessing starting price would be $50-55k and even higher with the v8. I don’t think there will be many buyers at those prices. 
 

I kinda hope Mach 4 doesn’t stand for 4 door. I hope it stands for 4wd and that this is the off road mustang we’ve heard rumors about. That one is even more pointless than the mustang sedan but it would be a lot cooler.

[jpd80]

1 hour ago, tbone said:

We can only hope so.  
 

I think the rear silhouette of the BMW 8 Series Gran Coupe shows how this would work well with the Mustang in order to accommodate this change esthetically.  
 

I know it can’t look exactly like an 8 series but yeah along those lines with Mustang styling would be a hit.
 

Even if the layout and prportions were similar to last Aussie Falcon,

I think a big hit of ‘25 Mustang styling would work fantastically well.

Would be fitting since Aussie S/C Miami V8 predated every other S/C production Coyote.

Edited March 1 by jpd80

[akirby]

7 hours ago, tbone said:

 

I was beginning to think you were smoking crack.  

Not this week….

[kach22i]

10 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-is-benchmarking-cadillac-ct4-v-blackwing-as-mustang-sedan-rumors-heat-up

 

Just to confirm that, look what Ford was benchmarking last year. 

Interesting find, but aren't the days of boutique vehicles used to draw in the masses to buy the more mundane version over?  I know that isn't where you were going, but do we all agree that every model has got to turn a profit on it's own?

 

I agree with T-bone's observations,  a 4-door mustang can be done gracefully, just call it a Mach-4.

 

Has anyone considered that Mach-4 could mean; 4-door + 4wd + hybrid?  They are still formulating and cooking this thing up right?

 

Consider Porsche came up with a 4-door Panamera (gas), and a 4-door Taycan (electric), and Aston Martin the beautiful 4 door Rapide (2010-2020).  Of course look at your domestic counterparts like Dodge 2-door Challenger, 4-door Charger + Charger Daytona EV (2025).

 

Anyway, I find the artist Mach 4 rendering on Car & Driver to be nice.  As nice as any slick 4-door saloon from Europe anyway (Audi/BMW) and almost as nice as a Tesla S. 

 

Ford 'Mach 4' Trademark Fuels Future Mustang Sedan Rumors

By Jack FitzgeraldPublished: Feb 27, 2025

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a63954602/ford-mustang-sedan-mach-4-trademark/

[Sherminator98]

6 hours ago, T-dubz said:

I don’t have anything against a mustang sedan, I just don’t get the point. Ford moved away from sedans for a reason. 

 

The point is to make sure the coupe can stick around for as long as possible till it can be electrified.

 

CAFE apparently will get more onerous as time goes on (even if we have a lessening of the standard over the next 4-8 years) and a larger footprint will help will that. 

 

I don't see the sedan selling in huge numbers, but neither does the Mustang coupe. I think an extra 30-50K Sedan Mustangs is worth it if it is 80%+ the same as the coupe when it comes to manufacturing etc. 

 

It would be profitable since its already being built on an existing platform. 

 

Not to mention it seems like the overall automotive market is in a funk-everything seems the same and it is ripe for something different...maybe a Mustang coupe will be that. 

[DeluxeStang]

2 hours ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

The point is to make sure the coupe can stick around for as long as possible till it can be electrified.

 

CAFE apparently will get more onerous as time goes on (even if we have a lessening of the standard over the next 4-8 years) and a larger footprint will help will that. 

 

I don't see the sedan selling in huge numbers, but neither does the Mustang coupe. I think an extra 30-50K Sedan Mustangs is worth it if it is 80%+ the same as the coupe when it comes to manufacturing etc. 

 

It would be profitable since its already being built on an existing platform. 

 

Not to mention it seems like the overall automotive market is in a funk-everything seems the same and it is ripe for something different...maybe a Mustang coupe will be that. 

It almost sounds like if they made the mustang hybrid, and evolved and played around with synthetic fuels, which Farley says they're already looking it, that things like the V8 mustang could basically live forever. The combination of those two technologies and the low sales volume of the car means it's carbon impact is gonna be very miniscule. 

[DeluxeStang]

2 hours ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

The point is to make sure the coupe can stick around for as long as possible till it can be electrified.

 

CAFE apparently will get more onerous as time goes on (even if we have a lessening of the standard over the next 4-8 years) and a larger footprint will help will that. 

 

I don't see the sedan selling in huge numbers, but neither does the Mustang coupe. I think an extra 30-50K Sedan Mustangs is worth it if it is 80%+ the same as the coupe when it comes to manufacturing etc. 

 

It would be profitable since its already being built on an existing platform. 

 

Not to mention it seems like the overall automotive market is in a funk-everything seems the same and it is ripe for something different...maybe a Mustang coupe will be that. 

It almost sounds like if they made the mustang hybrid, and evolved and played around with synthetic fuels, which Farley says they're already looking it, that things like the V8 mustang could basically live forever. The combination of those two technologies and the low sales volume of the car means it's carbon impact is gonna be very miniscule. 

[Andrew L]

18 hours ago, akirby said:

if you’re doing one you might as well do both.   Flat Rock certainly has the capacity.  I would think the Lincoln would use the Aviator 3.0LEB rather than the Coyote.

 

I would be ok with that too but this is Ford and I have a feeling they will prioritize the Mustang sedan and Lincoln will get nothing.

[DeluxeStang]

17 hours ago, jpd80 said:

I still think it’s a big ask to get a Mustang Mach 4 over the line let alone

resurrect the Continentals recent dead corpse for another go around.

Its like seeing a discarded CT6 stogie on the pavement and picking it

up for a puff or two…

Yeah, maybe I should just be happy that we're getting a new sedan. Now isn't the time to get greedy asking for a bunch of new variants on top of that, so you're right. 

[jpd80]

It’s interesting that Farley is talking about this now after watching GM go

through the whole exercise with the Alpha platform, Camaro, CT4 and CT5.

 

Im just wondering if they waited too long and now the market has moved on.

Dont get me wrong, big fan of RWD sedan but the time to do that was 10 years ago.

Edited March 1 by jpd80

[DeluxeStang]

In theory, a sedan would address one of the biggest issues with the coupe's appearance. The s650 looks like, but the overhangs need to be shorter, with a longer wheelbase, it would look more enticing. 

 

A sedan would offer a more favorable wheelbase to overhang ratio. 

[akirby]

3 hours ago, Andrew L said:

 

I would be ok with that too but this is Ford and I have a feeling they will prioritize the Mustang sedan and Lincoln will get nothing.

There are a few things that make this more likely than not.

 

They need volume to keep Flat Rock running a full shift or two.  Mustang coupe alone isn’t cutting it and a Lincoln sedan would be cheap to add once you have Mach 4.

 

Lincoln Dealers are stuck with 4 vehicles and Corsair is reportedly on the chopping block and the Lincoln EV was cancelled with nothing being publicly reported in the pipeline.  They need vehicles to sell.  This is similar to when they did the Mark LT pickup after killing the LS.  
 

A Lincoln version - while lower volume - would increase ATPs and profit margins.

 

The 3.0Leb powertrain is already available.

[akirby]

What makes this viable is excess capacity at Flat Rock which can only build sedans and Ford’s desire to expand the Mustang sub brand along with the cancellation of some EV projects.  

[tbone]

8 hours ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

Not to mention it seems like the overall automotive market is in a funk-everything seems the same and it is ripe for something different...maybe a Mustang coupe will be that. 

This is how I feel about the market and Ford lately.  This is the first thing I have been excited about in a while.  

[tbone]

1 hour ago, jpd80 said:

It’s interesting that Farley is talking about this now after watching GM go

through the whole exercise with the Alpha platform, Camaro, CT4 and CT5.

 

Im just wondering if they waited too long and now the market has moved on.

Dont get me wrong, big fan of RWD sedan but the time to do that was 10 years ago.

I just never found the Caddies particularly good looking so in my opinion that wasn’t helpful.  

[T-dubz]

if this is true, I really hope it looks something like the e tron GT. This would keep it looking more like a sports car and less like a sedan. A mustang face would look pretty good on that shape.