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agree, would be nice to see some consistency. The Navi must have air suspension, all the competitors have it so there is no excuse o reason to not have it

The ergonomics and controls inconsistency between the full sized trucks/SUVs and other vehicles drives me nuts. With F series being the cash (and volume) cow they pretty much get to do whatever they want and the so do the other teams. Simple things like having the audio steering controls on the same side would help. My F150 is on the right while the Nautilus is on the left.

There are a few things Lincoln does not do across the board which I find odd. The height of the door handles on the Navigator makes sense but if the Navigator gets air suspension like the Aviator and lowers itself I could see that being a play. The other thing that is not consistant across the lineup is the placement of the power seat switches. All of them except the Nautilus have them on the door panel while the Nautilus has it on the side of the seat. This is however nothing new with Lincoln and it drives me crazy. In the 80s the Town Car Continental and Mark VII all had it on the door. In the 90s the Town Car and Continental had it on the door while the Mark VIII had it on the side of the seat. Enter the Navigator and LS in the late 90s it's on the side of the seat too. Enter the Aviator in 2003 and it's on the door, refreshed Navigator still on the side of the seat. I wish they would just have the entire lineup have the seat controls on the door Lincoln has done that a long time and it would be nice for some consistency.

Of course they did...I bought a 23 back in late October! However, the price I paid is pretty comparable to today's prices. I had a decent rebate (11k) + the $3750 tax rebate + $2500 incentive from my employer for buying an electric vehicle (it's an electric company). Since I no longer work for that employer (I quit to run my own business a week ago), I wouldn't qualify for the $2500 and the tax rebate is now gone, so I feel OK.

So I'm at the show and my guess of them introducing the 2025 Expedition was wrong. In fact, nothing was actually introduced, just a quick discussion about Mustang and its upcoming 60th (anniversary package to debut April 17). Plus a review of the various Mustangs on display, including the Mach E. Overall it's nice to see the Mustang get center stage again (last year they had just 2, this year 6 Mustangs and a few Mach E's) Still disappointed no big debut though!

Demand for EVs drops off because most people can't afford them. Ford lowers the price, demand improved. Also Ford, alright, let's immediately increase prices again.

I think ultimately it was just a good public event for Ford to roll out their product guys (the Mustang program manager spoke to the crowd) to speak of the Mustang and their success with it. It really didn’t cost much more than their travel costs, as no press kits, no stage set up, no chairs put out, no food or drink costs, beyond the usual auto show costs. Oddly they didn’t talk about the Mustang GTD which was center stage on the floor, but maybe that speaks for itself lol All in all, I’m happy Ford had a vibrant presence at this years press days. (But still sore Lincoln was absent!)

A lot of people care, especially in Europe.

I’m glad someone does.

Mustang Celebrates 60 With Can't Miss Owner Event April 17th https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2024/03/27/mustang-celebrates-60-with-cant-miss-owner-event-april-17.html Ford Mustang, America's best-selling sports coupe in 20231, celebrates its 60th anniversary with an owner and fan event at Charlotte Motor Speedway on April 17 Attendees will get a first look at the limited-edition Mustang 60th Anniversary Appearance Package – and hear about new experiences for Mustang owners Mustang owners can register for the April 17 event now and secure their spot for a day of track and drift ride-alongs, the latest Mustang news, and a first-hand look at the world’s racing Mustangs NEW YORK, March 27, 2024 – Nearly sixty years ago, Ford unveiled the original Mustang at the World’s Fair in New York. This April, the next chapter of Mustang begins with an epic Mustang fan event at Charlotte Motor Speedway. Owners and fans in attendance will get a first look at a limited edition 60th Anniversary Appearance Package and try new, exclusive Mustang ownership experiences rolling out over the next year. They’ll meet Ford Performance racing drivers, get up close and personal with monster Mustangs, including the Mustang Mach-E 1400, and see the entire array of racing Mustangs in one place. Ride-alongs in Mustangs on a drift track and around Charlotte’s famed Roval will give a first-hand taste of not just Mustang performance, but some of the skills they can learn through Mustang’s new ownership experiences. Owners can also learn about Mustang in the aftermarket through the Pony Personalization Corner, which will include exhibits from RTR and others. "The popularity of Mustang is rooted in its ability to evoke emotion – whether it's the roar of the engine or the sight of its iconic silhouette, it sparks a visceral connection,” said Joe Bellino, Mustang brand manager, North America. “This year, we’ll start to connect with Mustang customers in exciting new ways.” Customers, clubs, and dealers are invited to celebrate the spirit of freedom, passion, and innovation at this event. The event will also be livestreamed starting at 5 p.m. EDT. 1According to data from S&P Global Mobility.

Seems like a waste of time to have a press event just for an announcment about a later debut.

Agreed, and if they don't, they don't listen to their customers like they say they do. Its odd too, ford and lincoln specifically were the first brand to add air suspension to their suvs, and when all their competitors added it, ford turns around and gets rid of it

Doors are an expensive item to differentiate between platform mates; it's most likely a cost issue (i.e. not worth the added cost to have different door for the Expy and Navi).

Does anybody actually care about this?

Hell, the gov't is still trying to continue the lawsuit to stop Microsoft's purchase of Activision Blizzard after the court told them no, that's stupid, you can't do that, and let the acquisition go forward.

It does thank you for the insight

Clickbait headlines at work

Your final paragraph goes to exactly why Ford North America in 2006, initially opted out of a replacement Ranger that became the global T6 vehicle. What North America wanted, a smaller, lighter, less, costly truck (sound familiar?). That vehicle simply could not fit under the projected product envelope, that kick off meeting happened during 2006 when Alan Mulally took the reigns and unfortunately, a low cost truck was way down on the priorities as was continuing the existing Ranger which was cancelled in 2011. None of that POV changed at Ford until Mulally stepped down and Fields took over, work began on securing a Ranger and Bronco for the US market but it wasn’t until Hackett/Farley term that Maverick was identified as a needed vehicle and developed at warp speed. I can only imagine what could have been if Mulally’s team developed a quick Maverick project done under C1 Transit Connect, how that would have changed the viability of Michigan AP is hard to say but I’d like tho think for the better…interesting discussion but all water under the bridge and like so many other things from that era, a missed opportunity.

Terrible

I hope so! The side panels didn’t look that much different in the spy shots so I’m hoping that was the camouflage.

Here's hoping the new expy isn't mostly new and is all new

Because Ford allocates vehicles to each dealer based on their sales history. Let’s say each dealer gets 2 vehicles per week. If the dealer has 10 people in line ahead of you you’ll have to wait 6 weeks to get yours scheduled. If there is only one ahead of you you’ll only wait 1 week. The trim levels are because of parts shortages which have always happened even before Covid. Covid just made it 1000 times worse.

Very interesting topic. I just took delivery of a 2024 Lincoln Nautilus Hybrid. Can anyone tell me at what speed the gas engine engages? This is an amazing vehicle. My last vehicle was a 2013 Lincoln MKX. What a difference! Fantastic job done on the design as well as attention to detail in regards to the fit and finish.

Oh good grief. It’s 100% voluntary and the automakers have complete control over what is allowed. And what about Android Auto? Stupid lawsuit.

Thanks for that. I have a Reserve III Hybrid. My previous vehicle was an 2019 Edge ST so basically a slightly lighter V6 nautilus. I don't have any issues with glare yet but do plan to go 35% tint film on the fronts... likely will end up around 25-30% and below legal limit but it should be fine in my state as they don't pull over for tints. Font size for me is fine and all vehicle options such as seat controls and HVAC are pretty easy to get to (1 option to get to them.) things like sound options are a bit deeper into the system though. Voice controls using google voice assistant are default, when apple car play is open some options are unavailable though. Using the voice control button you have to short press for google and long press for Siri. I kept the "hey google" voice prompt active for now while i play with it. As for power I have yet to floor it since I am under 500 miles still and plan to baby it until 1000 miles. Even so it feels a bit less powerful from a stop but has a much better torque curve from a roll than my 2.7L did. Highway passing is effortless and sometimes even surprising. Trying to beat a red light has actually scared me when it took off much faster than i expected. I'm betting its about as fast as the 2.7 nautilus on paper but the power is much more usable since the EV torque is at all RPMs and instant. I plan to do a full 0-60 and 1/4 mile log with my dragy. I agree it feels significantly larger than my Edge but the B pillar is thicker and front doors are not as long. Also you don't get as much seat travel. I am 6'2" and still don't need the seat all the way back but I'm close to the end of travel. If you prefer to sit up high you might feel cramped. Seat in its lowest position and all the way back has me stretching to reach the pedals but looking out the rear seat window. Reverse camera video quality is Ok but I don't feel as good as my edge (daytime only). Road noise is very low and virtually no wind noise at all even with the 22" wheels. I am getting the popping rear shock noise others complain about but even with that its still much quieter than my edge. It doesn't sound like marbles as others describes, for me it sounds like a slightly loose strut with sound deadening over top of it. My edge actually made a similar noise since new but 10x louder. The panoramic roof is actually slightly narrower than in my edge but still very nice. Massaging seats are strong and a very nice touch. the revel sound system is incredibly clear with amazing bass and treble range at all volume levels. Found you can install amazon video and actually watch movies while in park too. Comes in handy when you have to pick someone up after work every day and they are never ready on time!...

Bronco is even worse - they put the volume controls on the left side and the previous/next track/station controls on the right side. It's obnoxious switching back and forth if you primarily drive with one hand.