April 2007 Sales: Ford Motor Company

[falconman13]

Luxury brands are up, everyman brands are down.

The division of wealth gap widens.

[NickF1011]

I've had several Mustangs over the years and I dont remember a back seat quite as small as this one. But then again, I probably didnt care when I was younger

 

S197 back seat is certainly larger than the one in my SN95 or any fox body I've been in. I think the "buckets" they integrated make them seem a lot smaller in comparison to the more bench-like layouts in previous models.

[Bluecon]

Chrysler up and the Edge mirroring the 500.

Who would of thunk it?

[igor]

Chrysler up and the Edge mirroring the 500.

Who would of thunk it?

:hysterical:

[eddiehaskell]

S197 back seat is certainly larger than the one in my SN95 or any fox body I've been in. I think the "buckets" they integrated make them seem a lot smaller in comparison to the more bench-like layouts in previous models.

Not really.

 

Fox Body back seat (inches):

 

Head room - 35.9

Leg room - 30.7

Shoulder room - 54.3

 

Link

 

S197 back seat (inches):

 

Head Room - 34.7

Leg room - 30.3

Shoulder room - 53.4

 

Link

 

So while the Mustang has gotten much larger on the outside, the back seat has actually gotten smaller than it was 20+ years ago. To make things worse, people have gotten a little taller and heavier over the past 20 years.

Edited May 1, 2007 by eddiehaskell

[NickF1011]

Not really.

 

Fox Body back seat (inches):

 

Head room - 35.9

Leg room - 30.7

Shoulder room - 54.3

 

Link

Link

 

S197 back seat (inches):

 

Head Room - 34.7

Leg room - 30.3

Shoulder room - 53.4

 

So while the Mustang has gotten much larger on the outside, the back seat has actually gotten smaller than it was 20+ years ago. To make things worse, people have gotten a little taller and heavier over the past 20 years.

 

I don't care what the actual measurements are. I've sat in plenty of both. The S197 is miles more comfortable in the back than any fox-based Mustang ever dreamed of.

[eddiehaskell]

I don't care what the actual measurements are. I've sat in plenty of both. The S197 is miles more comfortable in the back than any fox-based Mustang ever dreamed of.

 

Comfort is subjective. The person you were replying to said this:

I've had several Mustangs over the years and I dont remember a back seat quite as small as this one. But then again, I probably didnt care when I was younger

 

You replied with:

S197 back seat is certainly larger than the one in my SN95 or any fox body I've been in.

 

He was right you were WRONG.

[falconman13]

I wasn't trying to start an argument, I haven't actually sat in the back seat of a new Mustang, I test drove one, and after adjusting my seat to the way I liked it, I looked at the back seat and it looked like the drivers seatback was about 4 inches from the rear seat cushion. So, my assumption was it would be a tight fit.

 

In any case, I know the car is meant to be a 2 seater, a 2 + 2 in a pinch. So its really not about the car. I wish I could get one, just not practical for my particular situation.

[swenson88]

Chrysler up and the Edge mirroring the 500.

Who would of thunk it?

 

Here goes the tard trying to stir shit up again . . .

[ford-boy]

Did the Tundra sell into the 15,000 + range last month and 14,000 + this month? Were there less selling days in April? I live on Long Island, which is like Toyota central here, yet I have only seen 5 new Tundras on the road since the intro and since my retirement, I do alot of trips around town. Much more now than when I was working.

[LincolnFan]

Enterprize likes 'em Toyota Trucks.

[Bluecon]

Here goes the tard trying to stir shit up again . . .

Why would you call a guy that is right 97.6% of the time a tard?

[MGallun]

Why would you call a guy that is right 97.6% of the time a tard?

 

 

hey OAC.. how many edges are cranked out a month?

[sranger]

Hmm. Things are crappy all over. I mean when TOYOTA drops year over year (using the aggregate, not DSR, numbers as they have consistently).....

 

So. What's next?

 

Seriously: What do you guys think is going to happen with the economy this year? Are we getting to the end of the purchasing power of the American consumer, etc.?

 

I mean, I'm not trying to dictate the topic, I'm just curious--without finger pointing and posturing and politicizing and blaming--what's going to happen the rest of 2007 and into 2008?

 

I'll just add my one little dig: Boy, sure does look like that new truck plant in San Antonio was a bad idea....

 

Well, I think the economy is going to tank in early summer. The perfect storm is brewing ( especially in the housing markets ) I personaly think that the DOW will be below 10,000 before the end of the year...

 

As for the numbers, I did not think that they were all that bad for Ford... It looks like all auto manufactures had a tough April... On the other hand, the fact that all manufactures had a bad April is the most troubling part of the whole thing. April is supposed to be a GOOD month. Ford is not is a good position weather a fininancial storm right now...

[Edstock]

a guy that is right 97.6% of the time

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

 

You have to be a legend in your own mind. Such folly smacks of genius; a lesser mind would be incapable.

[Bluecon]

Tundra sales up 74%. Maybe Toyota does know what they are doing.

 

TOYOTA RETAIL SALES

(INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)

April, 2007

 

----- CURRENT MONTH --- -- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE --

DSR% DSR%

2007 2006 CHG 2007 2006 CHG

 

YARIS 7,232 6,393 22.6 26,418 7,732 241.7

COROLLA 32,289 36,155 -3.3 120,484 118,442 1.7

CAMRY 37,911 40,203 2.2 143,774 133,978 7.3

AVALON 5,791 8,239 -23.9 25,426 30,782 -17.4

PRIUS 13,056 8,234 71.8 52,738 30,357 73.7

SCION xA 1,454 3,331 -52.7 6,799 10,494 -35.2

SCION xB 1,173 5,678 -77.6 9,673 18,648 -48.1

SCION tC 5,333 6,435 -10.2 20,426 22,658 -9.9

TOTAL TOYOTA

DIV. PASS. CAR 104,239 114,670 -1.5 405,740 373,113 8.7

ES 350 6,544 4,603 54.0 24,594 15,390 59.8

LS 460 3,182 1,071 221.9 11,745 4,617 154.4

SC 430 341 579 -36.2 1,295 1,963 -34.0

GS 350 1,701 1,963 -6.1 6,365 7,638 -16.7

GS 430/450h 186 373 -46.0 739 1,208 -38.8

IS 250/350 4,363 4,715 0.2 16,772 17,880 -6.2

TOTAL LEXUS

PASS. CAR 16,317 13,304 32.9 61,510 48,696 26.3

TOTAL TOYOTA

PASS. CAR 120,556 127,974 2.1 467,250 421,809 10.8

SIENNA 12,773 13,912 -0.5 47,732 54,302 -12.1

RAV4 14,495 13,854 13.3 55,900 47,798 17.0

FJ CRUISER 4,587 5,649 -12.0 20,632 8,433 144.7

4RUNNER 7,093 9,406 -18.3 31,030 37,331 -16.9

HIGHLANDER 10,122 10,712 2.4 41,505 40,115 3.5

LAND CRUISER 191 255 -18.9 873 1,140 -23.4

SEQUOIA 1,991 2,771 -22.2 8,929 11,839 -24.6

TOTAL SUV 38,479 42,647 -2.3 158,869 146,656 8.3

4X2 TACOMA 8,813 9,109 4.8 35,840 33,808 6.0

4X4 TACOMA 5,958 6,111 5.6 25,259 23,219 8.8

TOTAL TACOMA 14,771 15,220 5.1 61,099 57,027 7.1

TUNDRA 14,200 8,837 74.1 43,386 40,662 6.7

TOTAL PICKUP 28,971 24,057 30.5 104,485 97,689 7.0

TOTAL TOYOTA

DIV. LT TRUCK 80,223 80,616 7.8 311,086 298,647 4.2

LX 470 240 507 -48.7 1,066 1,992 -46.5

GX 470 1,577 1,978 -13.6 6,816 8,071 -15.5

RX 350/400h 7,861 8,890 -4.2 30,094 34,297 -12.3

TOTAL LEXUS

LIGHT TRUCK 9,678 11,375 -7.8 37,976 44,360 -14.4

TOTAL TOYOTA

LIGHT TRUCK 89,901 91,991 5.9 349,062 343,007 1.8

TOTAL TOYOTA DIV. 184,462 195,286 2.3 716,826 671,760 6.7

TOTAL LEXUS 25,995 24,679 14.1 99,486 93,056 6.9

TOTAL TOYOTA 210,457 219,965 3.7 816,312 764,816 6.7

MEMO:

DOM. COROLLA 28,352 30,769 -0.2 106,896 104,819 2.0

DOM. CAMRY 33,538 34,299 5.9 115,792 117,476 -1.4

DOM. PICKUP 28,971 24,057 30.5 104,485 97,689 7.0

DOM. RX 350 6,044 5,361 22.1 21,273 20,669 2.9

 

SELLING DAYS 24 26 101 101

 

TOYOTA DIV.

IMPORT CAR 36,558 41,363 -4.3 157,626 120,036 31.3

LEXUS IMPORT CAR 16,317 13,304 32.9 61,510 48,696 26.3

TOYOTA DIV NA

BUILT CARS 67,681 73,307 0.0 248,114 253,077 -2.0

TOTAL TOYOTA CARS 120,556 127,974 2.1 467,250 421,809 10.8

 

TOYOTA DIV.

IMPORT LT TRUCK 36,488 39,876 -0.9 149,940 134,817 11.2

LEXUS IMPORT

LT TRUCK 3,634 6,014 -34.5 16,703 23,691 -29.5

TOYOTA DIV NA

BUILT LT TRUCK 43,735 40,740 16.3 161,146 163,830 -1.6

LEXUS NA BUILT

LT TRUCK 6,044 5,361 22.1 21,273 20,669 2.9

TOTAL TOYOTA

LT TRUCK 89,901 91,991 5.9 349,062 343,007 1.8

 

SPORT UTILITY

VEHICLES 43,570 48,373 -2.4 176,213 182,583 -3.5

Memo: Lexus

Sport Utility 9,678 11,375 -7.8 37,976 44,360 -14.4

 

SMALL VANS 12,773 13,912 -0.5 47,732 54,302 -12.1

PICKUPS 28,971 24,057 30.5 104,485 97,689 7.0

 

* NORTH AMERICAN

BUILT VEHICLES

COROLLA 28,352 30,769 -0.2 106,896 104,819 2.0

CAMRY 33,538 34,299 5.9 115,792 117,476 -1.4

AVALON 5,791 8,239 -23.9 25,426 30,782 -17.4

SIENNA 12,773 13,912 -0.5 47,732 54,302 -12.1

PICKUP 28,971 24,057 30.5 104,485 97,689 7.0

SEQUOIA 1,991 2,771 -22.2 8,929 11,839 -24.6

RX 350 6,044 5,361 22.1 21,273 20,669 2.9

TOTAL 117,460 119,408 6.6 430,533 437,576 -1.6

N.A. VEHICLES

% OF TOTAL 55.8% 54.3% 52.7% 57.2%

 

SELLING DAYS 24 26 101 101

DSR = DAILY SELLING

RATESOURCE Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc.

Edited May 1, 2007 by Bluecon

[ehaase]

90 percent of Ford's sales loss is attributable to dropping the old Taurus and the Freestar as well as the decline of the F-150. Everything else combined is close to a wash.

[Mark8LSC CE0464]

 

Bluecon may want to fix his quote from Henry Ford. The fact that you would mess up a quote like that may show that you have NO idea what you're talking about.

 

Let me fix that quote for you........

 

"There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who think they can and those who think they can't. And they're both right."

 

There, you are free to continue bashing, now that I fixed your obvious mistake. :happy feet:

[Bluecon]

 

Bluecon may want to fix his quote from Henry Ford. The fact that you would mess up a quote like that may show that you have NO idea what you're talking about.

 

Let me fix that quote for you........

 

"There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who think they can and those who think they can't. And they're both right."

 

There, you are free to continue bashing, now that I fixed your obvious mistake. :happy feet:

The quote is accurate. Do you think it is possible that both quotes are accurate? Perhaps there is more than one quote from Henry Ford? Your first post and you are already wrong. It will be very difficult for you to match my 97.6% accuracy rate.

[taxman100]

Good to see the Crown Vic is still chugging along - maybe the factory will in fact stay open until 2012 so I can still buy one more new Panther - my current one should be at around 140,000 miles then, which is "starting to think about replacement" time. Still, I'd like to see Ford bring the car into the 21st century powertrain and style-wise. Other than that, I completely dig it.

 

Who needs an SUV, when the kayak easily goes on the roof of the Grand Marquis with an aftermarket roof rack? Tows a camper as well with no problem.

 

If I didn't know better, I'd think they don't want to really sell me one, but would rather have me buy one of their new Eurojapanese wundercars.

[blk05stang]

S197 back seat is certainly larger than the one in my SN95 or any fox body I've been in. I think the "buckets" they integrated make them seem a lot smaller in comparison to the more bench-like layouts in previous models.

 

 

I can back you up as well. I own both a 1994 Mustang and a 2005 Mustang. I can barely fit in the back of the 94 (When sitting back there I have to bend my head to the side or my head wouldnt fit back there) *I'm 6'1 220lbs* However, whenever I'm in the back 2005 I can sit easily and in a comfortable way. I know numbers don't lie and according to the #'s the Foxes are bigger but sitting back there is a whole nother ball game. The 05 wins hands down.

[Mark B. Morrow]

 

"There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who think they can and those who think they can't. And they're both right."

 

I had a Judge use that quote yesterday to a group of fighting heirs in an Estate case. It's not often that Henry Ford is cited on the record.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Why would you call a guy that is right 97.6% of the time a tard?

 

Just who is keeping your score? Is it some independent arbiter of correctness or just you.

[630land]

Just to point out, the so called 'flop', Ford Fusion outsold the 'home run' Chrysler 300 again this past month. Isn't 'all of America' supposed to be driving RWD Mopars by now? Shows that 'enthusiasts' who skim car magazine don't 'know it all'. No, 'everyone' doesn't want a 17 mpg car and do not care about it "having RWD like the cars of the 60's".

[DRODMOTORS]

Luxury brands are up, everyman brands are down.

The division of wealth gap widens.

 

DING DING DING! We have a winner

 

Look at what the recent quarterly earning statements from various companies this past month. Look at the record DOW numbers. The wealthy are doing just fine. Companies are making money hand over fist while the average working man sees stagnant wages, inflation and a depressing housing market.

 

Speaking of housing. What have alot of investors done? I'm talking about people with money, not your flip your house guy you see on TV. They're pulling their money out of real estate and going back into stocks.

 

Will we see an economic crash? I highly doubt it. But what are smart people in this country doing right now? They're watching their dollars. Either by choice or because they have no choice. Either they started seeing their housing cushion deflate or maxed out the HELOC. They're seeing the rising prices at the pump and in the grocery store and cutting back on their expenses or maxing our their Discover. And if they really do want a new car, but theirs is just fine, they're going to hold onto it and wait. They're going to save money, and many will probably add more to their 401Ks or mutual funds. So I don't see the DJIA going anywhere back to 10K or below. I do see a rough year ahead for auto manufacturers and dealers alike. Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride for most people.