Bob Rosadini Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Um when does Truck=Van? Keep on topic...this is about the Econoline or E-series, NOT the F-series True-however, with all the emphasis on platform sharing, "one Ford" etc, interesting questions are raised as to any relationship between the arrival of Transit, the development of a new medium duty-and to me that primarily means class 6 and 7 as well as just how you integrate class 3-5 into any of this. Avon Lakes role in this only adds to the puzzle. Bottomline as I see it, not a nice clean issue that is centered on only the evolutiuon of E series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Transit Spy Pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Transit Spy Pics I sure hope we see bigger engines... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackintire Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I was told the V-10 is not cheap to build. 30 valves, balance shaft, 2 extra piston/ring package/rods, ect.. The whole reason for the 6.2L was to make an inexpensive replacement. Yes, there was some economy in manufacturing and parts commonality because the V-10 was so similar to the 5.4L, but soon (with the demise of the E series) the V-10 will be an orphan. I was under this impression as well. Adding DI to the 6.2 will put its performance right on top of the current V10. Personally I think Ford is just biding their time, until they release the DI version of the 6.2. Then they will start at the low end Class 2 and start rolling it out upward towards class 6-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I sure hope we see bigger engines... And I hope there is a lot of camo in those shots- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 And I hope there is a lot of camo in those shots- Looks like there is to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Cue the Econoline mafia in 3......2.......1.......... There is an Econoline mafia? What is their weapon of choice....a stick shaped like a Twin-I-Beam?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 12, 2011 Author Share Posted December 12, 2011 And I hope there is a lot of camo in those shots- The whole thing is covered in plastic caddling...and not the styling type LOL Look at all the rivets on the plastic...I don't think a production car would be that rough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 There is an Econoline mafia? What is their weapon of choice....a stick shaped like a Twin-I-Beam?? You are starting to make me nervous. The Super Duty is pretty much an N.A. only platform, has been around a long time in it's present form......... Panther, Ranger, Econoline...............Super Duty??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Lets hope Ford can look back while moving forward with T-Series... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e7B5xuRKOw&feature=player_embedded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 And I hope there is a lot of camo in those shots- It does have a bit of that GM "Dustbuster" look ! Remember, the reason for the world wide redesign was to meet US safety standards. Longer front end = better front crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 There is an Econoline mafia? What is their weapon of choice....a stick shaped like a Twin-I-Beam?? Twin-I-Beams are not likely ! The current Transit has a chassis that is capable of FWD (east/west engine), RWD (north/south) and AWD (also I believe east/west). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I was told the V-10 is not cheap to build. 30 valves, balance shaft, 2 extra piston/ring package/rods, ect.. The whole reason for the 6.2L was to make an inexpensive replacement. Yes, there was some economy in manufacturing and parts commonality because the V-10 was so similar to the 5.4L, but soon (with the demise of the E series) the V-10 will be an orphan. Only the F-Series get the 3 valve engines, even in the future product plans that I have seen. (The 6.8L 3 valve V10 will be the only gas engine in F450-750.) I was told the 6.2L could not pass certain durability tested required for over 10,000 lbs GVW.. I know. Seems pretty stupid to have a new big block engine that you can't use in any medium duty applications ! Anyone know what kind of volume the current E350/450 and F450-750 has ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Struts, HA HA HA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo007 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Worked at Concept Center California back in 1986 (under contract with Ford) as a clay modeler when we sculpted the first full size clay model for the 1992 Econoline Van. We did it the old fashioned way, no computers, no Taurus mills. That body has been produced as the Econoline van now for 20 years, 1992 - 2012 (except for a facelift a few years back) . Going to hate to see it go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 ... Adding DI to the 6.2 will put its performance right on top of the current V10. Personally I think Ford is just biding their time, until they release the DI version of the 6.2. ... Cost is VERY important is this "class" of vehicles, which is why Ford plans on using the 2 valve version of the V10. DI is expensive (electric AND mechanical fuel pumps, more sensors, DI injectors cost more than PFI) and, without turbo, DI does not add much power or save much gas (in the US; can't run lean because of NOx). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Kolman Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) You are starting to make me nervous. The Super Duty is pretty much an N.A. only platform, has been around a long time in it's present form......... Could we be seeing somekind of consolidation of the 250-350, 350-550, and 650-850 truck lines with the Transit and F150 lines? Where those heavy truck lines remain as seperate frames, but share various parts/supply-chain from the lighter more profitable lines. Also I've been thinking that the constant upward pressure on petrol prices might result in the government creating some desiel relief. Desiel prices influence prices across the entire economy, since everything at one point or another is transported by ship/rail/truck. Don't see an alternative fuel option for larger transportation. So at some point I would think there is going to government action on desiel prices. There will have to be an offset to this government intervention, and the obvious first option is going to be some kind of gasoline tax increase. Now I agree our disfunctional government never does the obvious or logical, but at some point desiel prices are going to need to be addressed to give the general economy a break from the petrol market. Edited December 16, 2011 by Kris Kolman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Could we be seeing somekind of consolidation of the 250-350, 350-550, and 650-850 truck lines with the Transit and F150 lines? Where those heavy truck lines remain as seperate frames, but share various parts/supply-chain from the lighter more profitable lines. That is some pretty wild speculation. I will buy into the fact that Ford needs to do something regarding the overlap between the F150 and F250 but I do not foresee any other big change in the N.A. truck line up for a long time. I suspect that a big percentage of the F350 sales are still non-commercial customers and I expect that will shrink. F450-750 sale have never "set the world on fire", but there is nothing from overseas that could replace them without major redesign work. I think Ford is betting that CNG will become a major player in this market and as of right now, that is a safe bet and Ford is well positioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I suspect that a big percentage of the F350 sales are still non-commercial Are you high? :D I live in South-Da-truckin'-kota, and I can count on one hand the number of brand new F350s I've seen in front of people's houses. Shoot, you barely see them on FARMS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I suspect that a big percentage of the F350 sales are still non-commercial customers and I expect that will shrink. Not in southern Ontario Canada. Except for the few private heavy-towers, just about every SD is farm or commercial. Like, how many dudes need to cart around their anvil collection? So an F-150 payload and towing does for the private owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Quite a few people still tow big-a$ fifth wheels and horse trailers around, and many use F350s to do it. Though I look for that number to shrink as gas prices go up. At $0.50 / mile just for fuel, it gets expensive to drive very far. Edited February 26, 2012 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) I suspect that a big percentage of the F350 sales are still non-commercial customers and I expect that will shrink. I live in South-Da-truckin'-kota, and I can count on one hand the number of brand new F350s I've seen in front of people's houses. Shoot, you barely see them on FARMS. That is kind of my point ! The F350 is too big for non-commercial (i.e. private), unless you are hauling horses, race cars or a big a$$ 5th wheel. It's too small for most commercial/farm owners. Stake beds and small dumps are more likely to be built on a F450/550. Ranchers/farmers are likely to have a F150/250 for light stuff (including Moma getting groceries) and something mush bigger. Edited February 26, 2012 by theoldwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I hope Ford GIVES one to American Pickers. The motto is "we uncover the history of AMERICA, one piece at a time." They should be doing it in an AMERICAN branded van! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 The F350 is too big for non-commercial It's too small for most commercial/farm owners. You're entitled to your opinion. It seems, though, that most farmers and commercial enterprises in southern Ontario disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) It's too small for most commercial/farm owners. Stake beds and small dumps are more likely to be built on a F450/550. Ranchers/farmers are likely to have a F150/250 for light stuff (including Moma getting groceries) and something mush bigger. What is your basis for saying any of this? I can't tell you how many farms I've been on, and your description just doesn't match what I've seen. If it's an older farm family, there's inevitably a late model car that's used for running errands, and if it's a younger family, that's more likely to be an SUV or even (if they're on a paved road) a *minivan*. There are probably a couple trucks, one of them significantly older than the other, and that one is the one that's likely to be a stake-bed, or the dually. -- Most of the F350s I see are cab/chassis models with custom work boxes. Edited February 26, 2012 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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