Deanh Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Printing it up as we speak...I thought the eco 1.6 was going to be avail in FWD with a manual, sadly the ordering guide makes no mention of a manual trans even in the base S model with the 2.5 4 cylinder.....DAMMIT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Sad, but not surprising. The last Escape only had the manual on base xls models. Thats if you could even find one on the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Sad, but not surprising. The last Escape only had the manual on base xls models. Thats if you could even find one on the lot. They were actually kinda fun to drive too, I was under the impression the 1.6 eco was going to be avail as a 6 speed manual....shame..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 This is not surprising because manuals are less fuel efficient in the modern era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Printing it up as we speak...I thought the eco 1.6 was going to be avail in FWD with a manual, sadly the ordering guide makes no mention of a manual trans even in the base S model with the 2.5 4 cylinder.....DAMMIT! Uh-oh. I hope this isn't a bad omen for the next-generation Fusion. Ford's press release for that vehicle mentioned the availability of a 6-speed manual tranny with the 1.6T engine as well. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzach Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 This is not surprising because manuals are less fuel efficient in the modern era. Manuals used to be more fuel efficient and autos were still around for those who wanted them! So why is it different now that things have switched. The only Ford that will be left with a stick soon will be the mustang. So sad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Manuals used to be more fuel efficient and autos were still around for those who wanted them! So why is it different now that things have switched. The only Ford that will be left with a stick soon will be the mustang. So sad! And the Focus and the Fiesta... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Manuals used to be more fuel efficient and autos were still around for those who wanted them! So why is it different now that things have switched. The only Ford that will be left with a stick soon will be the mustang. So sad! Simple. The reason the autos were available is because people were lazy/disabled/didn't know how to drive a manual. With new autos being more efficient there is no reason to offer a stick... many autos are quicker than their manual counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Simple. The reason the autos were available is because people were lazy/disabled/didn't know how to drive a manual. With new autos being more efficient there is no reason to offer a stick... many autos are quicker than their manual counterparts. Not to mention the cost of emissions certification for a stick on top of the all of the design, development, and testing necessary. For the relatively few number of incremental sales brought in by offering a stick it just doesn't make business sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 This is not surprising because manuals are less fuel efficient in the modern era. Used to be that the manual trans offered one more gear than it's auto counterpart (in general). Now it is often the other way around, with the manual being a 5 speed and the auto being 6+. Is there many examples of the same number of gears where the manual trans is less efficient? Doesn't seem plausible when you're turning the mass of the tq converter and all of that extra weight/fluid, plus the slippage that occurs in lower gears before lockup. I don't believe a tq converter auto will ever be more efficient than a manual trans if they have the same number of gears, ratios, final drive, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) They have a stick for this in Europe right? So much for One Ford. Although the EPA MPGs are higher with an automatic in the Focus/Fiesta, in the real world manual transmissions are still getting better gas mileage. http://www.fuelecono...=30036&id=30035 Edited January 20, 2012 by timmm55 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtenthusiast Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Standouts for me include: Standard leather on SEL, partial leather on Titanium with full leather optional 2.0L ecoboost standard on Titanium, have to jump down to the SEL to get the 1.6L ecoboost Trailer tow package deletes the hands free liftgate. Sensors do not operate with the trailer hitch in the way. Only way to get HID headlamps is Titanium Keyless door keypad now integrated into B pillar like taurus, explorer and is standard on SE and above. MyFord Touch available on SE and higher, standard on Titanium Alot of standard equipment at SE level. I will be seeing the escape at the auto show today, looking forward to seeing it in person, will probably order one once Ford decides to open the order bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Engine Options: Escape S: 2.5 Standard (no options) Escape SE: 1.6EB Standard (2.0 EB Optional) Escape SEL: 1.6EB Standard (2.0 EB Optional) Escape Titanium: 2.0 EB Standard Retail Series Mix: S: 10% SE: 60% (Wow!) SEL: 17% Titanium: 6% It sounds like the 2.5L is the fleet special. I doubt many retail costumers are buying the S. So I'm assuming Ford has a good grip on 1.6EB production, right? And yes, the Escape and Fusion sport the new touch-sensitive keypad. Edited January 18, 2012 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Printing it up as we speak...I thought the eco 1.6 was going to be avail in FWD with a manual, sadly the ordering guide makes no mention of a manual trans even in the base S model with the 2.5 4 cylinder.....DAMMIT! Got a link for the guide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzach Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Simple. The reason the autos were available is because people were lazy/disabled/didn't know how to drive a manual. With new autos being more efficient there is no reason to offer a stick... many autos are quicker than their manual counterparts. I beg to differ, there is a reason. That being that there are people that want them. Efficiency is great but it is not like there is a 20% difference! I am more than willing to give up 1 or 2 mpg for a stick. And I get that the number of people who want sticks are dwindling and the number that will not buy a car they want because one is not available is far less still. I think it is a sad time and over the mext ten years i would not be surprised for the stick to disappear from the Fiesta and Focus. Hopefully it will stay in the Mustang forever. I will not buy an auto until I loose the ability to push in a clutch, and at that point I might as well let my wife drive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) This is not surprising because manuals are less fuel efficient in the modern era. wrong, they just dont fare as well in testing, real world can be entirely different. AND I can back that statement up, I have BOTH an Auto and Manual Fiesta...... Edited January 18, 2012 by Deanh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 As for the Stick, well maybe the Fusion and Focus are going to share the MT 1.6 EB? I don't think I've ever seen a manual equipped Escape....much like a MT Focus Wagon back a couple years ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) As for the Stick, well maybe the Fusion and Focus are going to share the MT 1.6 EB? I don't think I've ever seen a manual equipped Escape....much like a MT Focus Wagon back a couple years ago... I certainly hope so, I understand Fords marketing strategy as a majority of people would be clueless, let alone dangerous being in a vehicle whos driving actually involved hands on, a thought process and co-ordination the continual dumbing down of the driving experience bothers the crap out of me, and I find it REFRESHING when someone comes in on one of Fords performance vehicles and proclaims " What?....no Automatic?????? " PRICELESS. I should be happy ford still caters to driving enthusiasts.... Edited January 18, 2012 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 It sounds like the 2.5L is the fleet special. I doubt many retail costumers are buying the S. So I'm assuming Ford has a good grip on 1.6EB production, right? Thanks for the engine availability details. Is the 2.5L engine offering the same Mazda MZR based design that's standard on the current (2012 MY) Escape and Fusion? It's a very good unit, particularly when paired with a manual transmission - smooth, responsive, and fuel efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 If more consumers were willing to buy manuals then Ford would offer them. Don't blame Ford because consumers won't buy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 As for the Stick, well maybe the Fusion and Focus are going to share the MT 1.6 EB? I don't think I've ever seen a manual equipped Escape....much like a MT Focus Wagon back a couple years ago... I demoed a new Escape/manual 2 or 3 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 This is not surprising because manuals are less fuel efficient in the modern era. In EPA testing. Most people should still be able to get better real life MPG out of manual than automatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 In EPA testing. Most people should still be able to get better real life MPG out of manual than automatic. I do, by over 3 miles per gallon....................... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Engine Options: Escape S: 2.5 Standard (no options) Escape SE: 1.6EB Standard (2.0 EB Optional) Escape SEL: 1.6EB Standard (2.0 EB Optional) Escape Titanium: 2.0 EB Standard Retail Series Mix: S: 10% SE: 60% (Wow!) SEL: 17% Titanium: 6% It sounds like the 2.5L is the fleet special. I doubt many retail costumers are buying the S. So I'm assuming Ford has a good grip on 1.6EB production, right? Wow, I wasn't expecting the retail grades to be Ecoboost only. That's a serious bet on consumer acceptance of the 1.6 turbo. edit: retail sales mix add up to 93%... Does Ford expect 7% from some other model? Like mmm.... ST? Edited January 18, 2012 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 In EPA testing. Most people should still be able to get better real life MPG out of manual than automatic. +1 Consumer Reports' evaluations confirm this. In most cases when both manual and automatic versions of a car were tested, the MT variant delivered better fuel economy and quicker acceleration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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