coupe3w Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 What the heck is going on? http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-recalls-2013-c-max-154737138--finance.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBFlex Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 What the heck is going on?http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-recalls-2013-c-max-154737138--finance.html That is a very vague article. I wish they would have stated the root cause of the issue. Seems funny that the ones with the glass roof are safer than the ones with sheet metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 This has been known for a few weeks now. All of our non glass roof cmax have been pulled from the lot with a stop sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Holy shit, look at the comments...is that our favorite Matt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 The transit connect had a recall like this one where it didn't meet safety standards and the fix was replacing a push pin in the headliner. I doubt this will be too much of a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBFlex Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 So this explains Deanh's comments about not being to sell the CMAX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 So this explains Deanh's comments about not being to sell the CMAX. I think this is one of those issues with using Euro designed things and not having common safety/lighting/emission standards across the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 We were building them today. With and without the glass roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 We were building them today. With and without the glass roof. Doesn't always mean that they are okay to sell, Ford could know what the fix is and know that it can be done at the dealer at a later date. This way they don't lose production because of it or have a dead zone in delivery of vehicles. I remember building trucks with no seats and driving them off the assembly line with milk crates. Ford Inventories are very very tight right now. Fusion can't get online fast enough and there is still a concern with Escape production, and you have the MKC that is going to take away some Escape volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Judging by the article, this is not a product engineering issue. Sounds more like a manufacturing engineering issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBFlex Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I think this is one of those issues with using Euro designed things and not having common safety/lighting/emission standards across the pond. You'd think they would have thought of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'd guess there was a miscommunication regarding a step in the assembly process. Notably, the panoramic roof models aren't being recalled and assembly hasn't been stopped. Also, the mention in the article regarding insufficient padding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'd guess there was a miscommunication regarding a step in the assembly process. Notably, the panoramic roof models aren't being recalled and assembly hasn't been stopped. Also, the mention in the article regarding insufficient padding. I'll try and look in to this more. It is a very vague article. I seriously doubt that it is a miscommunication in assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Sounds like a non-issue. Probably just a few adjustments need to be made. Holy shit, look at the comments...is that our favorite Matt? Probably. He has been banned from every automotive site so now I guess he just resorts to voicing his opinion on Yahoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Probably. He has been banned from every automotive site so now I guess he just resorts to voicing his opinion on Yahoo. Yahoo SINGAPORE, at that. Edited July 30, 2013 by papilgee4evaeva 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banker55 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'd guess there was a miscommunication regarding a step in the assembly process. Notably, the panoramic roof models aren't being recalled and assembly hasn't been stopped. Also, the mention in the article regarding insufficient padding. The pattern and amount of headliner glue always was a critical process for roof strength . It is a robotic process. However, glue drums have to be changed and glue gun tips have to be cleaned nightly. There also can be a problem with cut ins(adding a unit in) or cut outs (removing a unit) when you run in-line vehicle scheduling. If done wrong the following units will be done wrong. You are also at risk of a wrong headliner pick from the vendor or material handling can load the wrong rack of headliners into the robot yielding a large number of wrong headliners. In the system after installation, headliners can be damaged and have to be changed. A repair person may not follow the process to save time. The units with the sunroofs have a different process as the glass installation process creates the roof strength. Similar process requirements are followed for windshield and backlite ( rear glass) install as they are critical for roof strength. The computer controlled process can be thrown out of whack by a passing thunderstorm from a slight power outage. The shut down procedure has to be followed properly so you don't have glue drying on unistalled headliners over night or over the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 The fix is in the article. Dealers will install additional energy absorbing material between the car's headliner and the roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Right. What I inferred from that was that this is that someone at Ford knew they needed to install additional padding before Job 1--because Ford performs the same tests the NHTSA performs--and that this adjustment to the assembly process wasn't implemented for some reason. Edited July 30, 2013 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banker55 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Right. What I inferred from that was that this is that someone at Ford knew they needed to install additional padding before Job 1--because Ford performs the same tests the NHTSA performs--and that this adjustment to the assembly process wasn't implemented for some reason. I agree with you 100%. Someone at Ford knew and I would bet it was on someones problem matrix. It just was not addressed. ...or ignored. The headliner installation process was a government mandated critical process and was audited every shift by a process inspector. I am not familiar with the padding. I would have guessed it was part of the headliner itself. Right. What I inferred from that was that this is that someone at Ford knew they needed to install additional padding before Job 1--because Ford performs the same tests the NHTSA performs--and that this adjustment to the assembly process wasn't implemented for some reaso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB390fe Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Headliner?! You know.... if your head is hitting the roof you've either NOT got your seatbelt on or you are in a world of trouble already... Does the CMax have a rollover test? I guess a convertible is even safer since there is no roof to hit your head on when the top is down... nothing but clear skies and unyielding blacktop... Sorry if I offend... but this sounds a bit silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Headliner?! You know.... if your head is hitting the roof you've either NOT got your seatbelt on or you are in a world of trouble already...Does the CMax have a rollover test? I guess a convertible is even safer since there is no roof to hit your head on when the top is down... nothing but clear skies and unyielding blacktop... Sorry if I offend... but this sounds a bit silly Safety is not "silly"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) I just performed this recall today. It really seems pointless. Basically I installed two energy absorbing plastic pads on back of headliner between a roof brace and headliner. Like it has been said, if your head hits this area, I don't think a crushable piece of plastic is going to help. The roof is so high, I just don't see how this is an issue. Edited August 1, 2013 by fordtech1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB390fe Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Safety is not "silly"! Please... If they were truly serious about safety we'd all be strapped into our fitted seats like NASCAR or F1, wear helmets and fireproof suits. Everything we do now is a compromise; airbags, seatbelts (car type) etc... I'm not downplaying the advancements - but you need to figure out just how far you need to go.... uber padded headliner... a bit over the top to my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Safety is not "silly"! no, but its definitely gone over the top......to me , at least on the surface, with the constantly changing testing parameters, certain "entities" are attempting to justify their existance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Safety is not "silly"! But obsession about safety is very silly — and this is very silly. You need perspective. Watch the video below. See how much cars have improved? Compared to them good ol' days, today's sleds give incredible protection by design. To get a wedgie over some headliner padding is an obsessive problem, capisce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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