AGR Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I see that PI sedan sales are way down, more proof that Ford should have kept building the Panthers... Oh, wait, PI SUV sales are way up, more than making up for the sedan decline. That mirrors what I'm seeing in my area. Initially, the sedans were the predominant variant, but now, I'm seeing more and more of the SUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 An employee of the local Chevrolet dealership (which is huge, especially juxtaposed with our modest town of 15k) drives a race red SS.... It's got some dress up options and looks pretty decent, but it suffers the same major issue as the G8: People who want boy-racer cars don't have 50 large, and people who have 50 large don't want boy-racer cars. I thought the biggest problem the GTO/G8 had was...looking like a Cavalier inflated to 5000 psi. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Burrito ClassChevy Express 6,142Ford E-series 5,549Mercedes Sprinter 2,208Ram ProMaster 1,408GMC Savana 1,402Ford Transit 1,225Nissan NV 1,061 GM vans are experiencing some fleet pull-ahead order the same way E-series saw last year. Looks like Transit still ramping up.Taco ClassTransit Connect 4,132Nissan NV200 1,040Ram CV 478 Check it out... a class of vehicle that didn't exist 3 years ago is now over 5,000 units a month. Forget Taurus renaming... this IS Alan Mularly's legacy. Enchilada ClassChrysler Town & Country 13,029Dodge Caravan 11,275Honda Odyssey 8,769Toyota Sienna 8,592Ford Flex 1,710Kia Sedona 613Mazda5 535Nissan Quest 395VW Routan 0 You have to wonder what Kia and Nissan are doing here if Flex is beating them. Edited October 1, 2014 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 FullsizeFord F-Series 59,863Chevy Silverado-C/K 50,176Ram Ram 36,612GMC Sierra 16,763Toyota Tundra 8,736Nissan Titan 977Nissan needs to get out of this business. I doubt the mild facelift planned for 2015 will do anything to change the big picture. GM twins (66,939) continues to benefit from Ford's volume management while it conducts plant retooling for 2015 F-150.MidsizeToyota Tacoma 11,993Nissan Frontier 6,853Honda Ridgeline 978Chevy Colorado 36GMC Canyon 11GM twins are not yet at dealers but I wanted to establish a base line this month so we can keep track in the future. Tacoma has 60% market share in September. We shall see if the segment expands or Toyota people will actually trade in Tacoma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Bell Weather Midsize Sedan SalesHonda Accord 32,956 - although it does include some coupe... but probably not significant amount.Toyota Camry 28,507Ford Fusion 21,693Nissan Altima 21,675Chevy Malibu 15,186Hyundai Sonata 14,918Chrysler 200 10,995 (not sure how many is new vs. old model)Kia Optima 10,908VW Passat 7,280Subaru Legacy 6,198 (Total sale of 17,513 if you include Outback 11,315 - good enough for 5th place)Mazda6 4,263Dodge Avenger 1,677Buick Regal 1,366 Edited October 1, 2014 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I think this is the one segment where if Ford had kept Mercury, it would have been useful as a flanker brand. And I believe there is probably something here for Ford to review... is C-Max really pulling it own weight? Prius V is starting to pull ahead. Compact (C-segment) SalesHonda Civic 22,263Toyota Corolla 20,530Hyundai Elantra 18,848Chevy Cruze 18,415Ford Focus 15,397Nissan Sentra 12,557Toyota Prius 11,085 (Prius 7,986, V 2,746, PHEV 353)Subaru Impreza 10,901 (Impreza 4,040, WRX/STI 1,170, XV 5,691) - never underestimate the power of plastic cladding!VW Jetta 8,980Mazda3 7,859Dodge Dart 6,923Jeep Compass 4,666Kia Forte 4,517Buick Verano 3,913VW Golf 3,487 (Golf 1,887, GTI 1,600)Nissan Leaf 2,881Mercedes CLA-Class 2,531Audi A3 2,340VW Beetle 1,821Ford C-MAX 1,786Acura ILX 1,464Scion tC 1,404Chevy Volt 1,394VW Sportwagen 1,265Scion xB 1,190Lexus CT 1,078BMW i3 1022Mitsubishi Lancer 971BMW 1/2 Series 740Cadillac ELR 111By ManufacturerToyota 35,287 - 18.5% market shareGM 23,833Honda 23,727Hyundai-Kia 23,365VW 17,893 + a handful of TT and Eos not included in the list above, not too shabby - outsold Ford, Nissan, and Subaru!Ford 17,183Nissan 15,438FCA 11,589Subaru 10,901Mazda 7,859Mercedes 2,531 + 65 B-Class not included in the list aboveBMW 1,762 Edited October 1, 2014 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Fiesta is doing fine against similarly positioned individual models from other manufacturers (e.g. Accent or Fit) but it is falling behind in the overall segment because it lacks product diversity. The B-segment customer profiles varies widely reflecting the fact that roughly half are lower income upgrading from used car, and half are higher income downsizing from midsize car or compact CUV. Ford should probably look at a multi-product strategy for the next generation - e.g. probably something along the lines of what Hyundai is doing... sedan/hatch for used-car step up crowd and a small coupe and funky 1-box type car for the downsizing crowd A/B-segment Cars SalesNissan Versa 12,072 (includes the el cheapo sedan and the somewhat more upscale Note)Kia Soul 10,802Chevy Sonic 8,328Honda Fit 6,628Ford Fiesta 4,185Hyundai Accent 3,662Toyota Prius C 3,192Hyundai Veloster 2,777Fiat 500 2,737Mini Mini 2,506Kia Rio 2,240Chevy Spark 2,027Mazda2 1,585 Mitsubishi Mirage 1,340Smart ForTwo 748Fiat 500L 623Toyota Yaris 598Scion xD 508Nissan Cube 238Scion iQ 132VW Polo LOLBy ManufacturerHyundai-Kia 19,481 ~30% market share - the power of HamstersNissan 12,310GM 10,355Honda 6,628Toyota 4,430Ford 4,185FCA 3,360BMW 2,506Mazda 1,585 Mitsubishi 1,340Mercedes 748 Edited October 1, 2014 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I'm calling this Biker16's EcoSport special report :grouphug: B-segment CUV Sales - 5 more models are set to join this segment next year so should be interesting to see how it shakes out. Right now, it is a Buick vs. Mini vs. Juke story.Buick Encore 3,848Mini Countryman 1,908Nissan Juke 1,814Mini Paceman 195Fiat 500X 0Chevy Trax 0Jeep Renegate 0Honda HR-V 0Mazda CX-3 0 Edited October 1, 2014 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Too small. not sure, it seem longer than the current gen. Even the smaller Discovery Sport has a 3rd row seating. I think it could have one as an option. Small one of course and few space but I think the MKT doesn't have a big 3rd row either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Oh you could put one in there - see Rav4. But nobody could use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Oh you could put one in there - see Rav4. But nobody could use it. true, I just think that the need to do something with the MKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 true, I just think that the need to do something with the MKT Yep. They need to turn it into an Aviator........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 what about if the next MKX offers a optional 3rd row seating until the new MKT-Aviator debuts? not sure, it seem longer than the current gen. Even the smaller Discovery Sport has a 3rd row seating. I think it could have one as an option. Small one of course and few space but I think the MKT doesn't have a big 3rd row either The MKX has been successful as it is - a luxury 2 row SUV with good second row space/legroom. Stuffing a 3rd row in there just to have one I don't think is a good move. Just because the Discovery Sport has one doesn't mean normal people can actually use it.....unless you don't have legs maybe. Save the 3rd row for the Aviator and keep the MKX with a spacious second row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Yep. They need to turn it into an Aviator........ yeah but from what I've heard it is almost 2 years away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 yeah but from what I've heard it is almost 2 years away Even so, I don't think you compromise space on the MKX just for the sake of making a stopgap until the Aviator arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Lincoln MkC inventory (10/01/14): 4,148 not sure if it is a enough inventory or not but I hope they sell more vehicles That includes every vehicle that's sitting in a holding lot pending inspection as well as vehicles in transit. It is *not* just vehicles on the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesster1228 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Why is the MKC not selling more? Lincoln needs to sell 3k MKC per month! MKCs are still rare at the dealers in Los Angeles. The dealer closest to me only has 8 MKCs and none of them are the Reserve models with 19" or 20" wheels. They have a lot of models priced in the low $40k's. I would think most buyers here in image-conscious LA would only consider buying a higher end trim level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Bell Weather Midsize Sedan Sales Honda Accord 32,956 - although it does include some coupe... but probably not significant amount. Toyota Camry 28,507 Ford Fusion 21,693 Nissan Altima 21,675 Chevy Malibu 15,186 Hyundai Sonata 14,918 Chrysler 200 10,995 (not sure how many is new vs. old model) Kia Optima 10,908 VW Passat 7,280 Subaru Legacy 6,198 (Total sale of 17,513 if you include Outback 11,315 - good enough for 5th place) Mazda6 4,263 Dodge Avenger 1,677 Buick Regal 1,366 I see a lot of new 200s around here. Half are rentals other half are mixed between base model and limited with dealer tags. The Malibu seems to gain loss traction, Fusion continues to kick ass, Dodge should still offered a mid-size . One mistake American makers keep making is sleeping on the Cam-Corder,I don't like them but people buy them and the Japanese with do anything to keep them competitive in a low-profile way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 One mistake American makers keep making is sleeping on the Cam-Corder,I don't like them but people buy them and the Japanese with do anything to keep them competitive in a low-profile way. What the heck does that mean (sleeping)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 One mistake American makers keep making is sleeping on the Cam-Corder,I don't like them but people buy them and the Japanese with do anything to keep them competitive in a low-profile way. Including selling Camry at lower average transaction prices compared to Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The problem is the cam-cord is really ingrained into the car buying public's mind. I don't think it will always be this way in the future, but you are dealing with 20 plus years of good will they've gotten. People will eventually tire of them as long as other makers keep trying to beat them. I heard an Accord commercial the other day saying it was cheaper to own then a Fusion by some metric...something you'd never hear of five years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It took them 20+ years to build up their loyal customer base. It will take at least that long to erode it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 What the heck does that mean (sleeping)? Means not thinking ahead after putting their best foot forward (2013 Malibu) though I agree it will take awhile for the domestics to shine in the mid-size segment but it have to be consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 it will take awhile for the domestics to shine in the mid-size segment but it have to be consistent. No midsize sedan has a higher average selling price than the Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That includes every vehicle that's sitting in a holding lot pending inspection as well as vehicles in transit. It is *not* just vehicles on the lot. true, that is just inventory but not at the lot. I think this upcoming months are going to be different (more sales) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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