bzcat Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 A police commander told me the new police Explorers on patrol duty use more even more gas than the old CVPIs did, around 12mpg. Has anyone else heard that? I highly doubt that because PIU weights less than CVPI and has much more modern transmission. Even if the MPG is not great, you have to take into account that PIU is much more powerful and faster vehicle than CVPI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The C/V had 75-80 percent back in 11'. Northern states tend to go with the PIs and southern go with Charger and Tahoe for pursuit duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Depends on how tall you are I guess... What do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92LX302 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I love my '13 Interceptor at works. We don't have the Ecoboost one. They're solid car and they are planted to the road. We don't have much issues with them (but mine is currently in the shop to replace a craqued exhaust manifold). I drive our last Crown Vic meanwhile. They have that old school 'cruising' around feeling of a classic car, but they're slow and pigs on gas compared to a Taurus. And being in rural Nova Scotia, if I have to respond to a light and sirens, high emergency call, I've got way more confidence in the AWD Taurus to carve along our twisty, badly damaged coastal Highways. Plus, it should start snowing in the next few weeks up here; that's where the new Interceptors really shines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) That percentage will continue increasing in time as more PDs switch to PIU and discover it's way better than the PI sedan, I think Ford is on a winner with Explorer for PDs and the next gen Ecoboost engines will drive that advantage home... The competition are basically sitting still with LEVs. Edited October 17, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 The competition are basically sitting still with LEVs. GM probably wishes they had sat still. Instead they spent who knows how much trying to turn the Holden into the Chevy flagship/cruiser and they've barely sold a hanful of the things. Maximum Bob's legacy strikes again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) GM probably wishes they had sat still. Instead they spent who knows how much trying to turn the Holden into the Chevy flagship/cruiser and they've barely sold a hanful of the things. Maximum Bob's legacy strikes again. To tell the truth, Bob lead Holden to believe that if they designed Zeta to accommodate American vehicles covering up to a "Traverse" sized SUV then lots of orders and follow on plants would happen in North America. One by one, GMNA re-negged on products, the biggest was Zeta Impala with no new replacement in sight... GM may have the large Ute LEV sewn up but it totally screwed up getting an AWD LWB Impala in there against Ford's PI and not having a competitor against Explorer PIU was an even worse miss.. Edited October 17, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 GM may have the large Ute LEV sewn up at the moment, but, as those Tahoes in fleets are aging out, I'm seeing more and more of them replaced with PIUs. There were a few reasons that the Tahoe was so popular as an LEV, it has a big cargo area for all their gear, a higher profile, 4 X 4 for rough weather and terrain, and was generally reliable and rugged. The PIU fixes several of those area while also offering tidier exterior dimensions, better fuel economy, and more improved ergonomics. Going forward, I know that a few Law Enforcement agencies in the area have purchased a handful of new Expeditions (this year's refresh with the EB V6) to see how the EB does on gas, performs compared to the Tahoe, and how the maintenance is on it. One thing to keep in mind, if they already have the PIU with the EB engine package, the Expedition will have a lot of general scheduled maintenance parts in common with it, making it that much easier to support. If it proves as rugged as the Tahoe, while getting better gas mileage, I can see more and more agencies switching over to the Expedition. And, having the Expedition L to offer against the Suburban, Ford has a solution there too. I can only imaging what they can do when they switch the Expedition over to an aluminum intensive body and shave off a good 500+ to maybe near 1000 lbs (unless they go for increased frame strength). Even though gas prices have gone down, budgets are still tight and fuel savings still affect TCO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 To tell the truth, Bob lead Holden to believe that if they designed Zeta to accommodate American vehicles covering up to a "Traverse" sized SUV then lots of orders and follow on plants would happen in North America. One by one, GMNA re-negged on products, the biggest was Zeta Impala with no new replacement in sight... GM may have the large Ute LEV sewn up but it totally screwed up getting an AWD LWB Impala in there against Ford's PI and not having a competitor against Explorer PIU was an even worse miss.. I could see a PPV Traverse and PPV retail Impala with turbo v6 available, as said GM "took a money bath" with the Zeta/BK debacle. In reality what GM will go with is current Tahoe PPV, Tahoe SSV and a Omega-based car that replace current Caprice, Impala and fleetpala. A retail 16' Malibu based PPV is said to be a possibility soon too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 As for the MPG complaints...if a car is running at idle, your going to get zero MPG no matter what engine you have in it. Maybe if they had some sort of hybrid engine, the car would do better. But cop cars I see do alot of sitting around doing various duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 GM may have the large Ute LEV sewn up at the moment, but, as those Tahoes in fleets are aging out, I'm seeing more and more of them replaced with PIUs. There were a few reasons that the Tahoe was so popular as an LEV, it has a big cargo area for all their gear, a higher profile, 4 X 4 for rough weather and terrain, and was generally reliable and rugged. The PIU fixes several of those area while also offering tidier exterior dimensions, better fuel economy, and more improved ergonomics. Going forward, I know that a few Law Enforcement agencies in the area have purchased a handful of new Expeditions (this year's refresh with the EB V6) to see how the EB does on gas, performs compared to the Tahoe, and how the maintenance is on it. One thing to keep in mind, if they already have the PIU with the EB engine package, the Expedition will have a lot of general scheduled maintenance parts in common with it, making it that much easier to support. If it proves as rugged as the Tahoe, while getting better gas mileage, I can see more and more agencies switching over to the Expedition. And, having the Expedition L to offer against the Suburban, Ford has a solution there too. I can only imaging what they can do when they switch the Expedition over to an aluminum intensive body and shave off a good 500+ to maybe near 1000 lbs (unless they go for increased frame strength). Even though gas prices have gone down, budgets are still tight and fuel savings still affect TCO. I don't believe the Expedition is rated by Ford as a PI. Don't they refer to it as a "utility/admin" or some such "non Interceptor" designation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang_sallad Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I highly doubt that because PIU weights less than CVPI and has much more modern transmission. Even if the MPG is not great, you have to take into account that PIU is much more powerful and faster vehicle than CVPI. The Crown Vic would likely have been better on the highway due to small frontal area for aerodynamics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Not necessarily: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=35062&id=29326 The Crown Vic had a much less efficient powertrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I don't believe the Expedition is rated by Ford as a PI. Don't they refer to it as a "utility/admin" or some such "non Interceptor" designation. Pursuit rated is what you're thinking. The 2wd Tahoe is pursuit rated. The 4wd is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Pursuit rated is what you're thinking. The 2wd Tahoe is pursuit rated. The 4wd is not. Ah! that's the term. It is NOT pursuit rated-yet! Don't know what it woud take to do that but agree with others- With EB mpg numbers might be a very attractive alternative to departments that want a rugged BOF vehicle . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 rugged BOF vehicle . I bet the current Ford PIs are just as rugged as the old Crown Vic..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Pursuit rated is what you're thinking. The 2wd Tahoe is pursuit rated. The 4wd is not. That used to be the case, but now the Tahoe is pursuit rated for both 2WD and 4WD. http://customers.havis.com/index.php/blog/vehicles/item/715-gm-4wd-pursuit-rated-2015-chevy-tahoe Edited October 19, 2015 by sullynd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I bet the current Ford PIs are just as rugged as the old Crown Vic..... I bet the current Ford PIs are just as rugged as the old Crown Vic..... Perhaps "rugged" is not the right word. Perhaps "repairability" is a better term. And by no means do I have any understanding of BOF repair costs vs Unibody but I have to think for the typical "on job" damage, I would think its a lot cheaper to pull a front fender assembly off a CV than it might be repairing front end damage on a Taurus/Explorer PI whan there is a good chance you are also into suspension work?? Well I think here in Mass. the state police should be developing that info. I think they have over 400 Explorers in service and I'll bet at least once or twice a week a trooper gets rammed while he is on one of the Interstates doing a detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 AFAIK, there's minimal difference between changing the front fenders on a unibody & a BOF car. Both are bolted on. Heck, I changed the fender on a Tempo in about an hour or so with no prior experience and, if anything, I was shocked at how little there was holding it onto the car. I would guess that any hit hard enough to damage the suspension on a unibody car would damage the suspension on a BOF car as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The Mopar RWD cars of the 60s through the 80s were unibody, but are considered "classics" by some vintage Police Car enthusiasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 That used to be the case, but now the Tahoe is pursuit rated for both 2WD and 4WD. http://customers.havis.com/index.php/blog/vehicles/item/715-gm-4wd-pursuit-rated-2015-chevy-tahoe Thanks for the update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 The Mopar RWD cars of the 60s through the 80s were unibody, but are considered "classics" by some vintage Police Car enthusiasts. Yep... one of my favorite police car the 1975-78 Plymouth Fury. I grew up watching American TV shows while living overseas in the 80s. The Fury (and Dodge Monaco) were the default police car in many TV shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Yep... one of my favorite police car the 1975-78 Plymouth Fury. I grew up watching American TV shows while living overseas in the 80s. The Fury (and Dodge Monaco) were the default police car in many TV shows. They were the last cars available with 440 power. Though emissions choked the next, newer cop car that out gun the 440 was 83' 5.0 Mustang. Edited October 20, 2015 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Caylor Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I remember the old chromium plated railroad ties (aka, bumpers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I bet the current Ford PIs are just as rugged as the old Crown Vic..... For sure to a point but as we suspected, the total package is more important to PDs. It's great that PDs also discovered that the PIU is better for needs and also smaller and less costly than Tahoe....let's hope the sales bleed continues.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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