Biker16 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 165k on my 2009 Focus manual with no problems or slipping discs. I think fuzymoomoo got around 180k before he had a problem, but it wasn't clutch disc failure. I am Still on the original clutch with my 2000 Focus with 190,000 miles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Without data, I don't buy your argument ! Sure wet clutches are more expensive, but expensive enough to put it on par with a 4-6 speed auto ? I don't think so ! I Don't have the data, but if the hydraulic controls for the Older DCT was similar to conventional ATXs with a gear driven pump and valves to control clutch actuation and shifting, wouldn't that put it on par with other ATX's? At least the price difference between the older Wet DCT and convetional ATX wasn't enough to warrant the risks that Ford has taken with the Dry DCT. I don't think anyone here appreciates how much cheaper the Dry DCT is over the 6F or other ATXs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I don't think anyone here appreciates how much cheaper the Dry DCT is over the 6F or other ATXs. So its only advantage is that its cheap? Given the headaches it has with consumers, I'd say that was a stupid trade-off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 So its only advantage is that its cheap? Given the headaches it has with consumers, I'd say that was a stupid trade-off. Costing more money in warranty repairs and future lost sales than what was ever saved by using this design. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Costing more money in warranty repairs and future lost sales than what was ever saved by using this design. This. ^^^ And piss poor customer satisfaction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 To be honest, when I'm ready to trade my current commuter Focus for a replacement next year, I'm not going anywhere near the DCT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 So what's the solution to reduce containment build up inside the clutch housing? Is there any way Ford can modify the housing to allow the dust to escape in a controlled method? Purely speculation on my part, but if Ford keeps a DCT around, I'll bet it has wet clutches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 So its only advantage is that its cheap? Given the headaches it has with consumers, I'd say that was a stupid trade-off. No,, STUPID was the +$1B Ford spent on developing, tooling and then licensing fees on their CVT !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 To be honest, when I'm ready to trade my current commuter Focus for a replacement next year, I'm not going anywhere near the DCT Manual transmission 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Manual transmission As much as I want a manual, stop and go downtown driving is not compatible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Purely speculation on my part, but if Ford keeps a DCT around, I'll bet it has wet clutches. What do you mean IF? The Ford GT is using a 7 speed DCT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 What do you mean IF? The Ford GT is using a 7 speed DCT. Isn't that not fully automatic though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Isn't that not fully automatic though? Pretty sure all modern DCTs (road cars not dedicated race cars) have an automatic mode now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 As much as I want a manual, stop and go downtown driving is not compatible. Its doable...what was the last car you owned with a stick? Its a huge difference between a hydraulic clutch vs manual clutch. I had a 2002 SVT Focus that had a hydraulic clutch vs the manual one in my 98 Mustang GT. I had to drive the GT after a couple weeks of driving the Focus and I had a hard time because there was such a big difference between the two. I drove my 2006 Mustang GT in stop and go traffic all the time, wasn't a huge problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 fwiw, My stepdaughters trans was fine till 60k when we were informed of the "recall"....it went to $hit after the first clutch replacements....and the second, and the third Transmission Control module....she now LOVES her fusion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 wasn't a huge problem. You're also in the 35-44 age group....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 JPD- Big enough holes to do what is needed will allow contaminant in - including moisture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 JPD- Big enough holes to do what is needed will allow contaminant in - including moisture. So no getting out with the drill and 1/4" bit....... More clutch dust than a top fuel dragster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 You're also in the 35-44 age group....... haha my Dad drives his 1998 Ranger pickup at 67 with no problems with a stick...:p and I haven't driven my Mustang on a daily basis in almost 3 years either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt in blue Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I actually prefer a manual in stop and go traffic. Got caught in a major backup in my Escape about three weeks ago and was bored out of my mind with the automatic. I mainly use the Escape on the highway, so it doesn't make any difference to me there. I do have to say that I am not sure if I would upgrade my clutch if I were doing the clutch replacement in my 3 again. The extra torque capacity is nice for spirited driving, but it is a lot heavier than the stock one when you're sitting in stop and go traffic. If I had to do stop and go traffic all day, I'd have a stick with a light clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I don't see how working a clutch makes a traffic jam less boring........ I got stuck in a 90 minute stop and go in Atlanta one time in my 4.0L Ranger and by the time I got home my left leg was both asleep and cramping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I don't see how working a clutch makes a traffic jam less boring........ I got stuck in a 90 minute stop and go in Atlanta one time in my 4.0L Ranger and by the time I got home my left leg was both asleep and cramping. ^ this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 @akirby...lift weights.....lol....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt in blue Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 It makes me pay attention to what's happening instead of being distracted by other things in the car, phone, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 truth be told, manual doesn't bother me in traffic, its just sitting there....so, motorcycle it is, I have no patience for the 15 mile trip I take on the 405 freeway taking 1 hour.......wouldn't matter if the car was an auto, its 35 minutes on the bike in the HOV lane. Sadly there's apartment complex's going up everywhere and the freeways cant handle traffic NOW...its only going to get worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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