rmc523 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) It would have been hard to do that on the last Bronco because that tailgate was so thick there wasn't any way to feasibly do it. If they want to, they could do it like the old Explorer where the wiper rested just below the window. As long as it doesn't drop down from the top, I personally hate that look. That's what I'm talking about....it's mounted on the door, and when it turns on, it tilts up and rests on the window then swipes, and when it turns off, it returns to its' spot on the door. Oh....you must've thought I meant it would drop down into the door with the glass? Edited July 14, 2017 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 That's what I'm talking about....it's mounted on the door, and when it turns on, it tilts up and rests on the window then swipes, and when it turns off, it returns to its' spot on the door. it wouldn't have been possible with the last Bronco. The window wasn't flush enough with the outside of the gate. Oh....you must've thought I meant it would drop down into the door with the glass? God I hope not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I'm guessing shoulder belts are a requirement now? Before 92 the belts were in the seats, in 92they attached to the top. No top, no seat belts, no legal. Annoying design choice, but regs are regs and gov is gonna gov Things have progressed in the last 25 years--they can put the belts in the seat backs. It's pretty common for middle seats, particularly in trucks (like my F-150) and 3-row vehicles, and some convertibles have all of the front seat belts in the seat backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 it wouldn't have been possible with the last Bronco. The window wasn't flush enough with the outside of the gate. God I hope not I didn't realize the current 4 Runner relocated the wiper to up under the spoiler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) If you're driving in a snow storm what's in front of you is important, not what's behind you. Says the guy from California... You had better fine tune that location to 'California, Sierra Nevada region' to have any credibility on this - Edited July 14, 2017 by Kev-Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I didn't realize the current 4 Runner relocated the wiper to up under the spoiler. 4Runner is very popular here. That retracting rear window is a feature that many customers of this vehicle really like. The original notion is that you can throw your outdoor gear back there, like a wetsuit or damp camping tents and equipment - and drive home with some ventilation in any weather. They are equipped with a large spoiler to direct airflow, and keep the window clean on dusty Forest Service roads. Also, it comes in handy when picking-up 2x10's at Home Depot. Toyota put a lot of thought into this feature, and I know their loyal customers really appreciate it. Much like my Ford keypad door lock, the retracting rear window is perhaps one of those things you can't live without once you have it. Let's hope Ford is paying attention. The Bronco will compete against Wrangler AND 4Runner - a pretty tall order for Ford designers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I didn't realize the current 4 Runner relocated the wiper to up under the spoiler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 As long as the Bronco doesn't have a key slot in the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 As long as the Bronco doesn't have a key slot in the door. The last several did. That's how you rolled the window down from the outside to open the tailgate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 The last several did. That's how you rolled the window down from the outside to open the tailgate. I understand. But today it looks cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I understand. But today it looks cheap. I always find it interesting that fleets seem to want them (PI/PIU for instance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I always find it interesting that fleets seem to want them (PI/PIU for instance). Makes sense for law enforcement though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Makes sense for law enforcement though. Why, do they not have fobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Why, do they not have fobs? they do I think, but I know a lot of departments (a least around me) still use the keys like they did with the CV. They must feel more comfortable using keys to get in the trunk where they keep their weapons and supplies rather than rely on a remote that can die over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I understand. But today it looks cheap. Meh--we're talking about a truck, not a luxury car. Personally, I want the key slot on the back end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I love all this discussion on what's needed in the Bronco because you can point to the global Everest and be assure that Bronco will look completely different to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 If the Bronco looks like the above ^^^^^^^^ it's doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) We already know that Bronco is a different top hat to Everest and by logic will look completely different.... Edited July 16, 2017 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 IMO the Everest represents what the Explorer would have been had it stayed BOF. I suspect there might even be a limited market for it in NA. It could even be enough to justify including it in the mix at MAP, especially if the Ranger and Bronco do not sell in high enough numbers to meet plant capacity. While that might seem unlikely today who knows what the market will look like in two years? There could also be buyers who want a more rugged SUV but not necessarily one that looks like a Bronco but perhaps more like the current Ford SUV lineup. I could see it selling in Flex numbers and you could even compare it to the Flex in that it was built in the same plant with other models that shared the same platform. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 To me at least, the Everest looks a bit rounded but I guess that makes sense when we consider that it's main competition in the ROW is Toyota Prado (Landcruiser 120). Thankfully, both the Ranger and Everest are nice and cosy inside for those that spend lots of hours behind the wheel, the softer styling complements that polished feel for international markets but I personally like the more chiselled features of a Nth American Jeep or what we used to see in older Explorer and Bronco... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Thankfully, both the Ranger and Everest are nice and cosy inside for those that spend lots of hours behind the wheel, the softer styling complements that polished feel for international markets but I personally like the more chiselled features of a Nth American Jeep or what we used to see in older Explorer and Bronco... I don't care for that soft look either. I'm hoping Ford will not go that route. I don't think they will, but time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 IMO the Everest represents what the Explorer would have been had it stayed BOF. I suspect there might even be a limited market for it in NA. It could even be enough to justify including it in the mix at MAP, especially if the Ranger and Bronco do not sell in high enough numbers to meet plant capacity. And/or exported to other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 We know Bronco is going global, but what we don't know yet is if MAP will be building then in RHD or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 We know Bronco is going global, but what we don't know yet is if MAP will be building then in RHD or not. Yeah, would MAP be the single Bronco plant for the world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Yeah, would MAP be the single Bronco plant for the world? That's the way they were acting at NAIAS and in the press releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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