fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) So basically they squeezed a few more ponies out of the 2.7L, added a bunch of tech that has nothing to do with a performance package like ST, put ridiculous 21" wheels on it (adds nothing to performance but makes tire replacement $$$$$!), and slapped an ST badge on the hatch? Yawn. Agreed. Plus something about an ST with no 3 pedal manual option bothers me I guess the benefit here is that this puts them within spitting distance of the $50k mark for Edge. Theyll hit 50k before the next gen comes out. Edited January 11, 2018 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Well, at least the Edge is so bland anymore. I dont know man, it looks way more generic now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Why muddy the ST name then? Just keep it a sport. The ST name has been already muddied- https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/st-line The ST-line is nothing more then an appearance package in UK/EU The Edge ST has 40 more HP and 30 ft-lb Torque over the current Sport and the suspension/brakes has been improved....I don't see any issue with this out side of it being a CUV, which some people make take issue with, but they are the current flavor of auto buying public. The real question is this going to retail for over 50K or not..since the Sport is around $47K fully loaded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 https://www.freep.com/picture-gallery/money/cars/detroit-auto-show/2018/01/10/detroit-auto-show-photos-2019-ford-edge/109343620/?gNum=1 Some pics of The not-ST version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Well, at least the Edge is so bland anymore. I dont know man, it looks way more generic now. After taking a better look at it on a screen larger then 5 inches...the new grill isn't bad. Part of the problem with the new Edge was the styling was strongly derivative of the old model it replaced (like the MKX)..but part of the problem with the new grill on the Edge is it finally caught up with the looks of the Escape refresh and a lesser degree, the Explorer, which kind of makes it look dated. Edited January 11, 2018 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 https://www.freep.com/picture-gallery/money/cars/detroit-auto-show/2018/01/10/detroit-auto-show-photos-2019-ford-edge/109343620/?gNum=1 Some pics of The not-ST version The photos keep up the awful tradition of poor photos from Ford, showing off angles that only a person 24 inches tall would see. We look down or at the horizon when we see cars, we don't look up from the road. I don't get why they do that. It makes the car look ugly at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 After taking a better look at it on a screen larger then 5 inches...the new grill isn't bad. Part of the problem with the new Edge was the styling was strongly derivative of the old model it replaced (like the MKX)..but part of the problem with the new grill on the Edge is it finally caught up with the looks of the Escape refresh and a lesser degree, the Explorer, which kind of makes it look dated. They arguably didnt do anything to improve the look of it. The original Edge was the epitome of bland. The 2011 refresh made it look a lot better, like a refresh should IMO. This new refresh doesnt make this version any better. I thought the 2015 was really good looking. This refresh looks like a Chevy Traverse which I hate. A lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Yeah this thing just waters down the ST badge. It needed the 3.0L and an available (note I didn't say standard) 3-pedal transmission option to rightfully wear the ST badge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 So basically they squeezed a few more ponies out of the 2.7L, added a bunch of tech that has nothing to do with a performance package like ST, put ridiculous 21" wheels on it (adds nothing to performance but makes tire replacement $$$$$!), and slapped an ST badge on the hatch? Yawn. I guess the benefit here is that this puts them within spitting distance of the $50k mark for Edge. Last time I checked, decent/good performance tire was around $200 per tire. The ST should go over 50K- the Sport tops out already around $47K Seriously-40 more HP and 30 more Ft lb Torque is nothing to sneeze at. Optional upgraded suspension/brakes also. Tires- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Yeah this thing just waters down the ST badge. It needed the 3.0L and an available (note I didn't say standard) 3-pedal transmission option to rightfully wear the ST badge. I disagree with you on the 3.0. That needs to stay a Lincoln only engine. Everything else I agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Yeah this thing just waters down the ST badge. It needed the 3.0L and an available (note I didn't say standard) 3-pedal transmission option to rightfully wear the ST badge. The ST badge is already water down- https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/st-line Asking for manual transmission in a product that never had is ridiculous. I guess some people will never be happy. And Ford will still sell a bunch of these. I'm happy they are finally offering a more sporting package to a CUV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Like the grill. Miss the light bar on the tailgate. Will not buy a rotary gearshift. My 2015 Edge may be my last Ford. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 This refresh looks like a Chevy Traverse which I hate. A lot. I dunno, the Traverse is still more ugly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 If they currently offered a similar package on the Escape, I would have probably ordered one instead of the Ecoboost Mustang I have on order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Rest of the Edge Lineup is 2.0L Ecoboost only, dropping 3.5L V6 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-ford-edge-four-cylinder-only-more-standard-safety-tech-news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Merged all topics together to keep things orderly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Rest of the Edge Lineup is 2.0L Ecoboost only, dropping 3.5L V6 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-ford-edge-four-cylinder-only-more-standard-safety-tech-news that sucks but not surprising since the 3.5 is being phased out. Is the 3.3 not capable of transverse applications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 that sucks but not surprising since the 3.5 is being phased out. Is the 3.3 not capable of transverse applications? Its not worth it...the 2L Ecoboost is 250 hp/275 Ftlbs 3.3L V6 is 290/265 I'm sure the MPGs from the 2L Ecoboost is much better, not to mention simplification of builds- you have just the Ecoboost I4 or the ST's 2.7L V6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Its not worth it...the 2L Ecoboost is 250 hp/275 Ftlbs 3.3L V6 is 290/265 I'm sure the MPGs from the 2L Ecoboost is much better, not to mention simplification of builds- you have just the Ecoboost I4 or the ST's 2.7L V6. Youre right. I just feel like there should be a third base option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Youre right. I just feel like there should be a third base option. These days it probably should be a hybrid or PHEV...especially for China But then Europe gets the 2.0 Ecoblue diesel with 205 hp and 335 lb ft...they'll probably graduate to the 8-speed auto. Edited January 11, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I dont see them putting a hybrid powertrain into a refresh with the tiny budgets they have for refreshes these days. 99% sure we will see one in the next generation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I think this is fine for the ST which is really just a SVT tuned Sport. It leaves room for a Edge RS with the 3.0L and torque vectoring AWD should they choose to do one. In addition to the engine tuning, I'm sure the suspension tuning is far better than the current Sport and I suspect the transmission will perform better as well. Maybe the 2019 MKX gets the 3.0L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2019 MKX the what now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 the what now? Cough...Nautilus :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Cough...Nautilus :D It's early..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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