jpd80 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) I wonder if Ford's hybrid system involves an electric motor replacing the converter, a better version of GM's dual mode hybrid or is it more like an assist motor on the accessory drive like the GM's eAssist (BAS) or FCA eTorque I couldn't imagine Ford doing a half asses system that didn't add significantly to city fuel economy, it also needs to be expandable to accommodate PHEV so i guess that rules out mild hybrids.... Edited August 24, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Somewhere in the Chicago area makes more sense. TSF is usually pickup trucks. They've also done Expedition launches there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 They've also done Expedition launches there. the most recent one was at the dallas cowboys headquarters for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) The Hybrid generator is housed within the Transmission shroud, it's built alongside the driveline. This is unique to the RWD 10-speed transmission and can be bolted to any engine. The 2.5L I4 HEV/PHEV for the C2 vehicles is a familiar Atkinson Cycle design. AWD on the C2 PHEV requires a separate motor on the rear axle (similar to Toyota) because the battery/charger is in the way of the driveline (Corsair only C2 PHEV with AWD). Edited August 24, 2018 by Assimilator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 The Hybrid generator is housed within the Transmission shroud, it's built alongside the driveline. This is unique to the RWD 10-speed transmission and can be bolted to any engine. The 2.5L I4 HEV/PHEV for the C2 vehicles is a familiar Atkinson Cycle design. AWD on the C2 PHEV requires a separate motor on the rear axle (similar to Toyota) because the battery/charger is in the way of the driveline (Corsair only C2 PHEV with AWD). The 10-speed sounds a bit like what ZF did a few years back And the C2 PHEV AWD sounds a bit like an Electric Axle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Not sure where this came from, but someone posted it at GMI, re the 2020 Explorer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The Hybrid generator is housed within the Transmission shroud, it's built alongside the driveline. This is unique to the RWD 10-speed transmission and can be bolted to any engine. The 2.5L I4 HEV/PHEV for the C2 vehicles is a familiar Atkinson Cycle design. AWD on the C2 PHEV requires a separate motor on the rear axle (similar to Toyota) because the battery/charger is in the way of the driveline (Corsair only C2 PHEV with AWD). So basically, they can do RWD hybrid (i.e. Mustang, Transit, and F-150). The separate motor on the front axle approach on CD6 will require AWD, which doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Not sure where this came from, but someone posted it at GMI, re the 2020 Explorer: bad link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 bad link What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 What do you mean? Whatever you tried to post from GMI does not work.. junk link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The link didn't work for me the first time, but did after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) Whatever you tried to post from GMI does not work.. junk link. I didn't post a link - It's an image that I pasted, and it shows up on my screen. But here it is again: Edited August 27, 2018 by rmc523 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Nice to see a north/south engine again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Michigan State Police tested the new 2020 PIU... the 3.0 Ecoboost version is nearly 1 second faster 0-100 than a Dodge Charger with 5.7 Hemi, and also faster around the handling lap Meanwhile, the 3.3 HEV version of PIU also wiped the floor with Durango V6 and run almost neck to neck with Durango V8. More importantly, the 2020 PIU 3.0 Ecoboost smashed all the times recorded by the existing PIU with 3.5 Ecoboost: 0.5 second faster 0-60; 0.2 second faster 0-100; 1.8 second faster in the handling lap. Based on the test result, we have to assume that the new Explorer (CD6 in general) has significant weight reduction over the existing D4. https://www.government-fleet.com/313807/michigan-state-polices-2019-preliminary-vehicle-testing-results 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danglin Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Michigan State Police tested the new 2020 PIU... the 3.0 Ecoboost version is nearly 1 second faster 0-100 than a Dodge Charger with 5.7 Hemi, and also faster around the handling lap Meanwhile, the 3.3 HEV version of PIU also wiped the floor with Durango V6 and run almost neck to neck with Durango V8. More importantly, the 2020 PIU 3.0 Ecoboost smashed all the times recorded by the existing PIU with 3.5 Ecoboost: 0.5 second faster 0-60; 0.2 second faster 0-100; 1.8 second faster in the handling lap. Based on the test result, we have to assume that the new Explorer (CD6 in general) has significant weight reduction over the existing D4. https://www.government-fleet.com/313807/michigan-state-polices-2019-preliminary-vehicle-testing-results Very Impressive!!! :happy feet: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) Freaking LOVE it! A V6 Ford Explorer SUV kicking the sheisse out of any V8 sedans in both acceleration, top speed, AND handling! And it's infinitely more useful to boot! And this is before we get to the Aviator's PHEV version of the 3.0T. Further proof Ford knows what it's doing better than most. I can't wait for the Explorer Platinum and ST, really is going to knock the socks off of everything and reset the benchmark. Takes a long time to bake something this good. Edited September 26, 2018 by Assimilator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) Imagine the Interceptor in a lighter rwd sedan, oohhhh.. Good job Ford but some departments still may be turned off by the potential high sticker price and maintenance on a new tt3.0, hybrid vs the older,familiar V8s. The 3.3 IMO would be competitive vs the Pentastar V6 but what's the performance/potential price vs the V8s?. The hybrid's performance looks to be in a class of its own, not as quick as the 3.0 but it won't guzzle fuel as the other SUVs or maybe even a v6 Charger. Probably makes a good suburban county unit. Edited September 26, 2018 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) Given Ford's current dominance in the LEV market, I'd say the battle of the TTV6 Vs V8 was won years ago. It's more than likely that the 3.0 EB V6 will be similar price to the current 3.5 EB V6 but with better economy. The hybrids are interesting, I guess fuel saved over lots of shifts is a big deal these days... Edited September 26, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Given Ford's current dominance in the LEV market, I'd say the battle of the TTV6 Vs V8 was won years ago. It's more than likely that the 3.0 EB V6 will be similar price to the current 3.5 EB V6 but with better economy. Might wanna recheck that. Vast majority of the PIs are 3.7s and in cities and suburbs, state highway police in most states are V8s. Northern states prefer the PIs (snow). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Might wanna recheck that. Vast majority of the PIs are 3.7s and in cities and suburbs, state highway police in most states are V8s. Northern states prefer the PIs (snow). Cant get a PI or PIU with a V8-which most state police use anyways. From what Ive seen here and other places, the charger doesnt hold up very well long term-that V8 isnt worth a damn if they are down for suspension/brake issues. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Biggest complaint I hear about the Charger is it goes fast until you have to turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Biggest complaint I hear about the Charger is it goes fast until you have to turn. Funny--that was the same complaint I heard from OHP Troopers about the CVPIs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Funny--that was the same complaint I heard from OHP Troopers about the CVPIs... I have a friend in the Border Patrol. He refuses to give up his CVPI because of the 4 vehicles they have at their post (Crown Vic, Taurus, Charger and Tahoe) it's the most well rounded. They have yet to get any Explorers at his post and they are already getting rid of the Tauruses, theyre pretty universally hated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) Visibility is much better in the CVPI vs pretty much anything else due to the lower beltline and abundance of glass (both of which are due to the panthers early design roots). The outdated 2v 4.6/4R75W in the CVPIs are slow compared to even V6 chargers and 3.7L taurus/PIU nowadays (and most other sedans and CUVs on the road anymore). Although the V8 exhaust note winding out to 6000 rpm gives the CVPI an illusion of fastness. I've also heard that Chargers don't hold up. At least not like CVPIs did. Around my parts, it's a pretty equal mix of PI/PIU, Caprice, Chargers, Tahoes, and CVPI. It's kind of hard to believe there's still so many CVPIs out and about 7 years later but departments really seem to hang on to those things. Edited September 26, 2018 by Sevensecondsuv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 It's kind of hard to believe there's still so many CVPIs out and about 7 years later but departments really seem to hang on to those things. Not really, theyre very easy to fix on the cheap, which is perfect for most departments since most of them are cash strapped anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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