mackinaw Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 From today's Detroit News. BEV in 2023. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2019/03/20/ford-flat-rock-plant-shifts-electric-vehicles-mustang/3221693002/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 From the article: Quote "This is a different battery-electric vehicle than the one announced in 2017," Hinrichs told The Detroit News. "This is a different plan. We have a more ambitious plan for battery-electric vehicles around the world." Sounds like VW's MEB architecture is going to be used in some form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Can somebody explain this one? It’s in reference to moving Transit Connect production to Hermosillo (Mexico): Quote increase "U.S. and Canadian vehicle content consistent with the proposed USMCA trade agreement, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, twintornados said: From the article: Sounds like VW's MEB architecture is going to be used in some form? I didn't get that impression at all. Just sounds like additional BEV models. Just now, akirby said: Can somebody explain this one? It’s in reference to moving Transit Connect production to Hermosillo (Mexico): Well, if the current one is built in Spain, and this new one will be built in Mexico, that means most TC parts content from that point forward would be North American built/sourced. So presumably, more content of it would be build in the US or Canada, but assembled in Mexico. It is an odd statement, and comes directly from Ford's press release - you'd think it'd say "US, Mexico, and Canada vehicle content" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, akirby said: Can somebody explain this one? It’s in reference to moving Transit Connect production to Hermosillo (Mexico): Edit: Nevermind. Would help if I read the article. Edited March 20, 2019 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Both the News and Free Press say the Transit Connect is moving to Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 "In other developments on Wednesday, Ford said it will build its next-generation North American Transit Connect small commercial and passenger van in Hermosillo, Mexico, starting in 2021. That move increases U.S. and Canadian vehicle content consistent with the proposed United States-Mexico-Canada trade agreement, which boosts sourcing of components with North American suppliers, Ford said in its news release. "It also helps the company improve the profitability of its North American Transit Connect lineup."" https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/03/20/ford-electric-car-900-jobs-detroit/3221558002/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Hopefully there is a shutdown for a changeover to the new Mustang platform before this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, Trailhiker said: Hopefully there is a shutdown for a changeover to the new Mustang platform before this happens. Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like 2023 is when the next Mustang gets here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, mackinaw said: "In other developments on Wednesday, Ford said it will build its next-generation North American Transit Connect small commercial and passenger van in Hermosillo, Mexico, starting in 2021. That move increases U.S. and Canadian vehicle content consistent with the proposed United States-Mexico-Canada trade agreement, which boosts sourcing of components with North American suppliers, Ford said in its news release. "It also helps the company improve the profitability of its North American Transit Connect lineup."" https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/03/20/ford-electric-car-900-jobs-detroit/3221558002/ The other article didn’t mention North American suppliers, just US and Canadian content that was the confusing part (to me). This clears it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I want to know where this new "autonomous vehicle center" is going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I want to know where this new "autonomous vehicle center" is going The big, vacant building you sometimes refer to next to MAP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, mackinaw said: The big, vacant building you sometimes refer to next to MAP? I don't know, I tend to doubt it. More of the building is used than I though. MAP mod center and prove out is in there, as well as the 3 Stamping sub lines. I think they’re about to demolish what little is left of the old body shop carriage line that comes over from Stamping, there's a bunch of red hash marks that were just recently painted on them which appears to be markers for cutting them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) So this is what I got from reading the articles: 1. First time Ford confirmed Model E architecture will spawn more than one vehicle (although that seems obvious) - the first model, a SUV will be made at Cuautitlan. The second model... not sure what kind, will be made at Flat Rock. 2. First time Ford confirmed Transit Connect is moving to North America (although we speculated that for a long time). Seems like the regular version will be made in Hermosillo and the Autonomous driving version (which may be EV) will have final completion at Michigan (this part was known... but wasn't sure previously if the body shell/rolling chassis was still going to come from Spain). The confirmation of Transit Connect moving to Hermosillo I think also clarifies the new unibody compact pickup will be made there. There was some debate whether that will go to Cuautitlan. Also, I'm wondering if Ford will try to leverage the remaining CD6 production line (for Mustang) to build something else. The articles and Ford's press release said nothing about the future of Continental. But Ford is keeping Mustang in Flat Rock instead of moving it to Chicago so it is keeping two CD6 plants in North America. Edited March 20, 2019 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 There's still speculation (that I think is 100% wrong) that NG Mustang isn't CD6, which would still leave FRAP out in its own little world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, bzcat said: Also, I'm wondering if Ford will try to leverage the remaining CD6 production line (for Mustang) to build something else. The articles and Ford's press release said nothing about the future of Continental. But Ford is keeping Mustang in Flat Rock instead of moving it to Chicago so it is keeping two CD6 plants in North America. Maybe they didn't mention a new Continental because perhaps it will be one of the new EVs. I don't know, have no insider information, just speculating. The next Jaguar XJ6 is widely rumored to be EV only. Edit: about the same time that the thread about a new RWD Lincoln sedan and coupe appeared here, MT said that they were dead. Unrelated to your post, with each factory allotment being announced, it appears that the new Focus will never be sold here, so I'll be buying my next vehicle elsewhere. Well, unless I decide to get a CUV, but right now it's about a 5% chance of that. Edited March 21, 2019 by AGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Oh my god dude, stop with the mustang sub brand crap. IT UNEQUIVOCALLY IS NOT HAPPENING. Quit spreading fake news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I bet Ford has been sweating on the USMCA being favorable so it can make some long term changes there to not only benefit North America but to increase the efficiency of electrified vehicles to the rest of the world. Transit to Hermosillo is another piece of the puzzle falling into place, it joins the rumored small truck and companion Utility, which makes me think that Fusion's replacement might that future EV based at Flat Rock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 WAIT!!!! I got it!!!! Ford will lease Lordstown from GM and be the darling in DJT's eye.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Ford has plenty of open land in SE Michigan is it needs to build a autonomous conversion center plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Oh my god dude, stop with the mustang sub brand crap. IT UNEQUIVOCALLY IS NOT HAPPENING. Quit spreading fake news. Don't feed the troll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 21 hours ago, mackinaw said: Both the News and Free Press say the Transit Connect is moving to Mexico. This could be a BIG win for Ford ! Connect sales have been "good" since it was introduced in the US, but it has always had the "chicken tax" hanging over its head so all were imported as "wagons" and then the necessary vehicle were "converted" to "vans" (back seats and windows removed). The announcement os based on the assumption that the replacement for NAFTA get approved by all parties (I thought it already HAD been approved). This could be a huge cost savings for Connect vans. The "other shoe" is, are they going to stop production completely at the current plant or is this a second plant ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 hours ago, AGR said: Don't feed the troll... I normally wouldn't but people are reading his stupidity and believing it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I could be wrong but I suspect the case for AV commercials is not as strong as Ford is painting and that's why TC is moving to Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, jpd80 said: I could be wrong but I suspect the case for AV commercials is not as strong as Ford is painting and that's why TC is moving to Mexico. I think it’s moving to Mexico because it’s a C platform vehicle. The only other C plant is Louisville and it’s at capacity with Escape and Corsair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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