Escapism Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, YT90SC said: Ford goes by the VIN/miles/in service date and and base number of the causal part for any warranty claim. It can get cloudy in some instances, but the causal part for TSB 19-2375 is listed as 6009, which should be covered for the entirety of your PowertrainCare coverage. Thanks. That TSB is a number I haven’t seen and doesn’t come up on the internet The one I’m familiar with is 19-2208. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 6:55 PM, Escapism said: Thanks. That TSB is a number I haven’t seen and doesn’t come up on the internet The one I’m familiar with is 19-2208. 19-2208 has been superceded and is for 2.0L. 19-2375 is the most up to date one for the 1.5L. It was released mid December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTEcoBoost Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 6:12 PM, jcartwright99 said: And this is one reason why I come here.....information! I wasn't even aware of this at all. I have to admit, I don't look at the coolant level very often but I will now. I was able to find this TSB for the 2.0. This is something I will check and keep any eye out for it. I probably will have them test it before my warranty is out to be 100% sure. TSB for 2.0 I'd heard that the 2.0L was affected, in addition to the 1.5L in my '17 Fusion. I'm glad I read the TSB for the 2.0. I was nearly about to complain about the plant in Wales that made the engine in my Fusion, but since the 2.0 is manufactured in Spain, the plants have nothing to do with it. It's clearly an issue of lousy design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 hours ago, CLTEcoBoost said: I'd heard that the 2.0L was affected, in addition to the 1.5L in my '17 Fusion. I'm glad I read the TSB for the 2.0. I was nearly about to complain about the plant in Wales that made the engine in my Fusion, but since the 2.0 is manufactured in Spain, the plants have nothing to do with it. It's clearly an issue of lousy design. The 2.0eb for North American vehicles comes from the Cleveland plant in Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, akirby said: The 2.0eb for North American vehicles comes from the Cleveland plant in Ohio. That's interesting, because according to NHSTA/AALA, the 2.0EB in my 2019 Edge came out of Spain,,,, https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-act-reports HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, akirby said: The 2.0eb for North American vehicles comes from the Cleveland plant in Ohio. No, it's Spain. The 2.3EB is built in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: No, it's Spain. The 2.3EB is built in Cleveland. Nope. Cleveland. https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2015/03/06/ford-cleveland-engine-plant-begins-production-of-the-new-twin-sc.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, akirby said: Nope. Cleveland. https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2015/03/06/ford-cleveland-engine-plant-begins-production-of-the-new-twin-sc.html I'm headed out of town for the week, but next weekend I'll look for a 2019 2.0EB Edge at a local dealer, and take a picture of the country of origin sticker, which if I remember, was separate from the Mulroney sticker. I'm pretty sure it said Spain. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said: I'm headed out of town for the week, but next weekend I'll look for a 2019 2.0EB Edge at a local dealer, and take a picture of the country of origin sticker, which if I remember, was separate from the Mulroney sticker. I'm pretty sure it said Spain. HRG It’s possible but it’s strange that Ford would announce that if it wasn’t true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukemullen Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 3:59 PM, YT90SC said: 19-2208 has been superceded and is for 2.0L. 19-2375 is the most up to date one for the 1.5L. It was released mid December. This issue of coolant leaking into the cylinder is a risk on the 1.6 engines too, right? I'm not finding any TSBs on the 1.6, but I'm assuming its a risk given how similar the engines are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escapism Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Clearly the 2.0 in my 2017 Escape is from the Cleveland plant. Here’s my sticker on the side of my engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escapism Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) So, I guess Ford is going to screw everyone again and not do a recall. Here is the design flaw. Pictures are of the 1.5 showing the saw cut between the cylinders from the bad block The other picture is the replacement block. Go figure. Edited January 28, 2020 by Escapism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) Interesting photos. I think I am going to have the dealer do a pressure test at 55k on my 2.0. Obviously, if they see a problem fix it. If no problem detected, get an extended warranty. Now that I know of this issue, there is no way I am going to not get an extended warranty. Edited January 28, 2020 by jcartwright99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Hate the floating cylinder design. It's so weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, lukemullen said: This issue of coolant leaking into the cylinder is a risk on the 1.6 engines too, right? I'm not finding any TSBs on the 1.6, but I'm assuming its a risk given how similar the engines are. Ford has always been "replace longblock" on the 1.6 for coolant intrusion into the cylinders. Honestly, it has been a while since I was in one and that was only for cracked heads on the early ones. They are VERY similar engines, but I can't remember for sure if they had cuts or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) Had the PCM update done today at the local Ford store....we'll see how it goes. Edited January 29, 2020 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Escapism said: The other picture is the replacement block. Thanks for the pic. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Escapism said: Wondering what the small oval shaped hole is for between the cylinders...assuming it is for coolant flow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) On 1/26/2020 at 7:51 PM, HotRunrGuy said: I'm headed out of town for the week, but next weekend I'll look for a 2019 2.0EB Edge at a local dealer, and take a picture of the country of origin sticker, which if I remember, was separate from the Mulroney sticker. I'm pretty sure it said Spain. HRG As I thought I remembered, here are 2 from this morning. 1 from an Edge, the other from a Fusion. Both 2.0 EB's. HRG Edited February 2, 2020 by HotRunrGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I guess Cleveland doesn’t have enough capacity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 4:43 PM, twintornados said: Had the PCM update done today at the local Ford store....we'll see how it goes. Had my daughters done today, in & out in 45 minutes. Nice of them to run it through the car wash too. HRG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 Dang, just found out that a niece in MI is joining the new-motor club for her Escape. Dealer found anti-freeze in the drain oil. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escapism Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 5:18 PM, YT90SC said: Ford goes by the VIN/miles/in service date and and base number of the causal part for any warranty claim. It can get cloudy in some instances, but the causal part for TSB 19-2375 is listed as 6009, which should be covered for the entirety of your PowertrainCare coverage. Are you sure TSB-2375 is the correct number? Can’t find it anywhere, which is unusual after this much time has passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, Escapism said: Are you sure TSB-2375 is the correct number? Can’t find it anywhere, which is unusual after this much time has passed. TSB 19-2375 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwi-4IK99MroAhX4Ap0JHZG5BbQQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fordescape.org%2Fattachments%2Ftsb-19-2375-pdf.76450%2F&usg=AOvVaw0Gfzr3Cw-ASJtWabCOMaGB HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 5:57 PM, Escapism said: Are you sure TSB-2375 is the correct number? Can’t find it anywhere, which is unusual after this much time has passed. "2375" is the WRONG number, as it is "19-2375". TSB 19-2375 has been superseded to 20-2100, which added flex plate replacement along with the short block. The causal part still remains 6009 and will be covered by powertrain and most ESP coverages with powertrain options. Still needs to be verified by specific VIN though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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