TrentM Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 So my wife and I flew from Boise, ID on Feb 3rd to Florida. Had a crappy rental car of course. Drove through Naples and the Lincoln dealer there had a 2021 Black Label that got my attention. Ended up buying it and turned in the rental at a Budget lot a mile down the road. Now I have a problem. The airline would not let me bring my newly purchased Gator on the plane. So we cancelled our flight and drove it home to Boise. Got back yesterday. What an adventure. What poor timing. Drove through very miserable road conditions across Texas last Thursday and Friday. All on I-10. I have years of snow and ice driving experience due to growing up and living in Utah and Idaho. But all the drivers not familiar with such driving did everything they could to try and kill us. Anyway, made it home with 3,100 miles on my Gator that had 25 miles on it when I drove it off the lot. Now it is parked in the garage and my poor 2019 F-150 Raptor is parked outside in the cold. Gotta decide if I am going to keep my most favorite truck I have ever had. Glad to find this forum! More to come! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Awesome. Would love to see a pic or two if you are able. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 I will try and figure it out. Tech challenged! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, TrentM said: I will try and figure it out. Tech challenged! Not easy on this site with the size limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilner Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Congrats on the purchase. Just curious- being a Florida truck did it come with 4wd and all season tires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpfarrell Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 All the Black Label Navi's are 4wd. The tires might be all-seasons, but not many of those 22" toboggans offer much ability to dig in and grip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Emilner said: Congrats on the purchase. Just curious- being a Florida truck did it come with 4wd and all season tires? 3 hours ago, Gpfarrell said: All the Black Label Navi's are 4wd. The tires might be all-seasons, but not many of those 22" toboggans offer much ability to dig in and grip! Maybe I knew last January when I ordered mine and forgot, but I didn't realize just reading this now that all Black Labels are standard with 4 wheel drive. Checked the Order Guide, and you are correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 Thanks! Yep 4 x 4. I do not like the 22 inch factory wheels. They are coming off this weekend. But the smallest wheel you can put on is a 20 inch due to the brake caliber size. I hate the sorry factory Hankook tires that are squishy and soft. Could have made it through the crap in Texas and New Mexico much better if I had the Toyo all terrain 10 ply tires on 20 inch wheels that are going on it. Need Idaho worthy tires. Not Florida freeway slicks! Ha ha! I will have four 22 inch wheels for sale if anyone is interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying68 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 11 hours ago, TrentM said: Thanks! Yep 4 x 4. I do not like the 22 inch factory wheels. They are coming off this weekend. But the smallest wheel you can put on is a 20 inch due to the brake caliber size. I hate the sorry factory Hankook tires that are squishy and soft. Could have made it through the crap in Texas and New Mexico much better if I had the Toyo all terrain 10 ply tires on 20 inch wheels that are going on it. Need Idaho worthy tires. Not Florida freeway slicks! Ha ha! I will have four 22 inch wheels for sale if anyone is interested. Check your spare. If it is an 18 you can run 18's. Same information is on the door placard which lists the size of the spare as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 Oh! Good idea! Had not thought of that! Will check. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 It is an 18" standard steel wheel with a taller tire that will work on anything. So nope.. 20" is the smallest you can use.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, TrentM said: It is an 18" standard steel wheel with a taller tire that will work on anything. So nope.. 20" is the smallest you can use.... Huh? If the spare is 18” then any 18” wheel will fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20Navigator Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 8 hours ago, akirby said: Huh? If the spare is 18” then any 18” wheel will fit. Right, if you are indicating the spare uses a 18" wheel (rim) then you just have to get the appreciate sized tire so that the overall diameter and width are as close to the original as possible. Here is calculator than can help: https://tiresize.com/calculator/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 The steel wheel spare clears the brake calipers. The 18 inch ALLOY wheel I wanted does not. Had to go with a 20. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) Hi Trent. Yes, there is much more to properly fitting a wheel than only wheel diameter. The 18" spare is very thin width wise, so caliper/suspension/fender/fender well clearance is not the issue it would be with the conventional (non-spare) wider wheel. This is due to the fact that with a wider, conventional wheel, there are other variables that must be taken into account, such as the wheel width and wheel offset, both of which will directly affect caliper/suspension/fender/fender well clearance. As you found out. Then there is also lug spacing, centerbore etc. There are almost certainly 19" (and possibly even some 18" wheels) that may fit. I have not checked, so can not swear to it. However, those width and offset specs must be correct to do. Happy to hear you were able to find a suitable solution though. Good luck. Edited February 25, 2021 by bbf2530 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Thanks! Yeah there are 18 and 19 inch alloys that will fit I am assuming. But none that I was looking at. If you want to see the new wheels I put on go to the Black Rhino Wheels website. I did the Glamis Matte Black.. 20 X 9. Very happy with em. I have 5 full inches of sidewall now instead of 3. Not so squishy in the turns and curves. More solid ride. Tires and wheels better suited to Idaho country,, not Miami freeways. Had a guy offer me $600.00 for all four factory wheels and tires! I said 'C'mon! You can do better than that.!! He said "Nope... those wheels are so ugly I should only offer you $400. !! Ha ha!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20Navigator Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 10 hours ago, TrentM said: Thanks! Yeah there are 18 and 19 inch alloys that will fit I am assuming. But none that I was looking at. If you want to see the new wheels I put on go to the Black Rhino Wheels website. I did the Glamis Matte Black.. 20 X 9. Very happy with em. I have 5 full inches of sidewall now instead of 3. Not so squishy in the turns and curves. More solid ride. Tires and wheels better suited to Idaho country,, not Miami freeways. Had a guy offer me $600.00 for all four factory wheels and tires! I said 'C'mon! You can do better than that.!! He said "Nope... those wheels are so ugly I should only offer you $400. !! Ha ha!!!!! I'll bet you could get a better price for the ones you took off back in FL.....another road trip maybe???? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Ha Ha!!! Good excuse for another 3,000 mile road trip alright! I would do it since it is 75 in Houston today,,, but I do not think my traveling buddy would be up for it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpfarrell Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Tire Rack’s website shows compatibility with even some 17” wheels... I’d think all the F150 stuff from the past 15 years or so would likely interchange. That certainly doesn’t mean every 17” or 18” wheel will work, but should be lots of aftermarket options available in a variety of sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 With the 20" wheels and tires I put on I now have almost 6 inches of side wall,, verses the 3 inches I did have. Handles in the turns and curves much more firmly now and just just feels more solid. Great ride and ready for more Idaho snow and ice too. Does not feel as solid as the 35's on my Raptor with 17" wheels, but I am happy with them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorpsychology Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 It's none of my business, of course, but I perceive that disposable income is not a problem for you, buying a Navigator on impulse. Would it be possible to add on another garage stall or outbuilding and park your Raptor inside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 Ha Ha!!! Well I have a 4 car garage. But my Harley and my wife's golf cart and my man hangout area take up two of the spots. But I have worked very hard to get where I am at. About time to have some fun! LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 Not wealthy. just comfortable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AggieDad Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Clearly the solution to your problem to your very vexing problem is to keep the Raptor and the Harley and use this opportunity to build a custom toy hauler, painted to match the Raptor of course, in which you can haul the Harley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentM Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 Had one!! Sold it last year because I was not using it anymore. I Had it before the Raptor but the paint still matched it. Ha Ha!. Actually thinking about selling the Harley. We have put 54,000 miles on it traveling around the western US. Wife is not that excited to hard boil her noggin in the summer anymore, along with too many stupid car drivers out there these days texting, sleeping, talking, eating & whatever. Too many close calls the last couple of trips. I think it is the time to downsize. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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