LSchicago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, akirby said: Its too easy to buy a V8 f150 and add a supercharger. Several dealers will even do it for you. Yes, My 18 GT has a supercharger. Really wanted another factory Lightning. I prefer factory built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, LSchicago said: Yes, My 18 GT has a supercharger. Really wanted another factory Lightning. I prefer factory built. Understood. Just explaining why Ford doesn’t want to do one. Raptor is far more successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, akirby said: Understood. Just explaining why Ford doesn’t want to do one. Raptor is far more successful. Raptor is too heavy for performance. Street performance only needs a regular cab. RCSB 5.0 is much quicker than a Raptor on the street as is. Zero interest in off roading at my age. BTDT. Lots of us Former Lightning owners was hoping for one more V8 generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 TBH, there hasn't been a Lightning in 17 years. I'm fine with this as the naming could not have fit better with an electric vehicle and having one already tied to the F-Series is the frosting on the cake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, LSchicago said: Raptor is too heavy for performance. Street performance only needs a regular cab. RCSB 5.0 is much quicker than a Raptor on the street as is. Zero interest in off roading at my age. BTDT. Lots of us Former Lightning owners was hoping for one more V8 generation. You missed the point. Ford performance can either do a Raptor or a Lightning and Raptor gets far more sales than a Lightning would, and probably higher ATPs to boot. It’s a business decision. Has nothing to do with performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, akirby said: You missed the point. Ford performance can either do a Raptor or a Lightning and Raptor gets far more sales than a Lightning would, and probably higher ATPs to boot. It’s a business decision. Has nothing to do with performance. If they are limiting themselves, yes. If the built them side by side, the street truck is the one I'd take everytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, LSchicago said: If they are limiting themselves, yes. If the built them side by side, the street truck is the one I'd take everytime. They have to limit themselves because they don't have unlimited resources especially with all the other Ford Performance initiatives. Even using the existing GT500 powertrain there would be a lot of tuning and testing and new suspensions, etc. Obviously there are a few buyers who would take the lightning over a Raptor but I'm guessing the take rate would be more like 100 Raptors for every Lightning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, akirby said: They have to limit themselves because they don't have unlimited resources especially with all the other Ford Performance initiatives. Even using the existing GT500 powertrain there would be a lot of tuning and testing and new suspensions, etc. Obviously there are a few buyers who would take the lightning over a Raptor but I'm guessing the take rate would be more like 100 Raptors for every Lightning. Mostly all mall crawlers too. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 My bet is it wont have the "pinned down" suspension of the prev Lightning....let alone Id lay $ it will be only avail in a Crewcab configuration 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, LSchicago said: Mostly all mall crawlers too. LOL. That doesn't really matter to Ford. A sale is a sale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Deanh said: My bet is it wont have the "pinned down" suspension of the prev Lightning....let alone Id lay $ it will be only avail in a Crewcab configuration I bet it will outhandle the previous Lightning by a country mile. One of the biggest advantages to BEVs is the extremely low center of gravity because of the batteries. By all accounts the Mach-E handles just as well as the coupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Ford used to care about enthusiasts, not so much anymore. Like calling the Mach E a Mustang..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, LSchicago said: Ford used to care about enthusiasts, not so much anymore. Mach 1, Mach-E GT, GT350, GT500, Raptor and Bronco Warthog have determined that statement is not true..... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, akirby said: Mach 1, Mach-E GT, GT350, GT500, Raptor and Bronco Warthog have determined that statement is not true..... Forget Warthog, Bronco itself is all you needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, akirby said: Mach 1, Mach-E GT, GT350, GT500, Raptor and Bronco Warthog have determined that statement is not true..... Yeah lets see...almost 32 years ago the only thing you had was a stripper Mustang GT (LX), a Mustang GT, a T-Bird Turbo Coupe, the Taurus SHO and an Escort GT. And performance wise, a current day 2.0L Ecoboost Escape could give all of them a run for their money in a straight line.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, akirby said: Mach 1, Mach-E GT, GT350, GT500, Raptor and Bronco Warthog have determined that statement is not true..... Off road & mustangs yes. Nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, LSchicago said: Off road & mustangs yes. Nothing else. Well to be fair they had Fiesta and Focus RS but nobody here bought them so now they're gone. You really have to stop thinking in terms of what you and a few others might want and look at it from Ford's standpoint. Are you willing to pay $150K for a factory lightning pickup? Because that's probably what Ford would have to charge to pay for the development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, akirby said: Well to be fair they had Fiesta and Focus RS but nobody here bought them so now they're gone. You really have to stop thinking in terms of what you and a few others might want and look at it from Ford's standpoint. Are you willing to pay $150K for a factory lightning pickup? Because that's probably what Ford would have to charge to pay for the development. I paid $28,200 for a new 2000 Lightning. Today should be around $50K for a Factory built 5.0 Supercharged RCSB. I can certainly build one for less, but then it's a poser like the ones Pioneer Ford sells. Sad that Ford caters to the redneck market, but makes no HP trucks for the urban driver. But with more than half the trucks sold in the south, I do understand why the Raptor is still here. I would never buy one. Maybe in 10 years the EV infrastructure will be there and an EV Lightning will make sense. By then it will be killed off forever again...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 hours ago, LSchicago said: Raptor is too heavy for performance. Street performance only needs a regular cab. RCSB 5.0 is much quicker than a Raptor on the street as is. Zero interest in off roading at my age. BTDT. Lots of us Former Lightning owners was hoping for one more V8 generation. Regular cab anything is dead on arrival these days. Very very few people want regular cabs. 42 minutes ago, LSchicago said: Off road & mustangs yes. Nothing else. Explorer ST? Edge ST? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Regular cab anything is dead on arrival these days. Very very few people want regular cabs. Explorer ST? Edge ST? Explorer ST is close, but somehow 7 seats just doesn't say performance to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, LSchicago said: I paid $28,200 for a new 2000 Lightning. Today should be around $50K for a Factory built 5.0 Supercharged RCSB. I can certainly build one for less, but then it's a poser like the ones Pioneer Ford sells. Sad that Ford caters to the redneck market, but makes no HP trucks for the urban driver. But with more than half the trucks sold in the south, I do understand why the Raptor is still here. I would never buy one. Maybe in 10 years the EV infrastructure will be there and an EV Lightning will make sense. By then it will be killed off forever again...... I’ll try this one more time and then I’ll drop it. The profit from selling a few thousand Lightnings would not even pay for the powertrain development, testing and tuning and epa certification. Ford would not only lose money they would divert resources from other projects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, LSchicago said: Explorer ST is close, but somehow 7 seats just doesn't say performance to me. Leave the back 2 rows folded down, and pretend it's a mid-size pickup with a permanent cap,,,, Hey, at least you can slide 48" wide sheets in. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 9 hours ago, rpeterslll said: Big things happening at the headquarters Ford World Headquarters in Dearborn adding massive projection screen (freep.com) Including a visit from President Biden at Ford HQ and at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, rperez817 said: Including a visit from President Biden at Ford HQ and at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center. Not a fan of the President’s politics, but I do appreciate him coming to a significant event in time for a historic American manufacturer. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, tbone said: Not a fan of the President’s politics, but I do appreciate him coming to a significant event in time for a historic American manufacturer. Well said tbone sir. The President's visit next week transcends politics, as you mentioned it's great to have him participate in a big milestone for both Ford Motor Company and the USA. Products like BEV F-150 Lightning have great potential to make U.S. based automakers leaders in a global automotive industry whose future will be defined by 100% electric vehicles. Go team USA!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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