Electric Capri Crossover Spied

[DeluxeStang]

https://fordauthority.com/2023/11/upcoming-meb-based-ford-ev-spotted-testing/

 

Ew. Most of these coupe crossovers don't look right. That's especially true when they try to have a blocky, upright look to them 

[carolinewright]

39 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:

https://fordauthority.com/2023/11/upcoming-meb-based-ford-ev-spotted-testing/ geometry dash subzero

 

Ew. Most of these coupe crossovers don't look right. That's especially true when they try to have a blocky, upright look to them 

I don't like design of Ford Explorer EV. So bad

Ps: First join to forum and first comment in this thread lol

[silvrsvt]

54 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:

https://fordauthority.com/2023/11/upcoming-meb-based-ford-ev-spotted-testing/

 

Ew. Most of these coupe crossovers don't look right. That's especially true when they try to have a blocky, upright look to them 

 

Looks pretty much like the Explorer EV



different front end clip, removal of the D pillar and new tail lights.

The camo makes it look worse then what I'm assuming its going to be. 

[jpd80]

4 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

Looks pretty much like the Explorer EV



different front end clip, removal of the D pillar and new tail lights.

The camo makes it look worse then what I'm assuming its going to be. 

It is the second vehicle for Cologne but like it’s VW brothers it’s like ID.5 coupe vs the ID.4

it is different but the prices are near Mustang Mach E and that begs a big question of

why would buyers bother with these two if there’s Mach E at similar price.

 

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It’s unclear what this new model will be called – though a prior report suggested that it may resurrect the beloved Capri nameplate and do so with a cost of around £40,000 ($49k USD), offer up to 310 miles of charge, and do 0-60 in 6.4 seconds, 

 

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Powertrain and battery pack spec have yet to be revealed for the Explorer EV, however, including output and range estimates, though we do know that the new model will be available in two trim levels – Explorer and Explorer Premium – and that it will start out at around €45,000 ($48,513 USD).

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by jpd80

[silvrsvt]

4 hours ago, jpd80 said:

It is the second vehicle for Cologne but like it’s VW brothers it’s like ID.5 coupe vs the ID.4

it is different but the prices are near Mustang Mach E and that begs a big question of

why would buyers bother with these two if there’s Mach E at similar price.

Without knowing the trim structure of the Explorer or Capri or whatever it’s called, the Mach E is more expensive at this point outside of the entry level trim. 

[LSchicago]

This could be the upcoming 2026 Escape. I don't believe that has been shown, but the timeline fits. 

[Rick73]

10 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

https://fordauthority.com/2023/11/upcoming-meb-based-ford-ev-spotted-testing/

 

Ew. Most of these coupe crossovers don't look right. That's especially true when they try to have a blocky, upright look to them 

I like that it appears to be a hatch, and may look OK under all that camouflage, except that the roof transition just doesn’t look right (reminds me a little of Pontiac Aztec).  It’s too sharp or abrupt for my taste.  Hopefully it’s an optical illusion caused by camouflage.  

 

 

[T-dubz]

Imo it doesn’t look much like the explorer ev at all. They tried to go for a cuv coupe look, but the back slant is way too much. Its getting close to being a lifted sedan here. I don’t have high hopes for this one. Maybe the camo is doing a great job, but this thing is terrible.

[atomcat68]

It looks like is a sedan that will have a retro inspired style. So instead of Capri, why not Cortina, Orion, Escort, Sierra, Mondeo, Granada (Euro Granada was nothing like the USA one)? All of those would be a better fit as they were popular sedans in Europe in the past. The Capri should be a sleek design. At least with the Mach E, there was an attempt to make it sporty. I hope the camo is hiding something great, but as it is, that is not what a Capri is.

[Rick73]

47 minutes ago, atomcat68 said:

I hope the camo is hiding something great

Yeah, I hope so too.  In looking at picture posted above a little closer, I now realize that antenna on roof played a trick on my visual assessment.  Roof looks to drop off more smoothly than I first thought.  From a different angle it doesn’t look as sharp a break, but rather more rounded like is common on many modern sedans and Tesla SUVs.

 

Also just noticed tires seem fairly beefy in size suggesting vehicle could be fairly heavy.  If so, maybe it has fairly large battery capacity, which combined with more aero shape could result in improved driving range.

[DeluxeStang]

4 hours ago, T-dubz said:

Imo it doesn’t look much like the explorer ev at all. They tried to go for a cuv coupe look, but the back slant is way too much. Its getting close to being a lifted sedan here. I don’t have high hopes for this one. Maybe the camo is doing a great job, but this thing is terrible.

It's mostly below the beltline, especially from the side that it looks like the explorer. That visual chunkiness does ok, not great but ok on the EV explorer. But it really doesn't flow well with the slanted roofline. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the initial design sketches were all swoopy and sporty, and Ford last minute was like "Let's use the same doors and fenders as the explorer to save money". 

[DeluxeStang]

3 hours ago, Rick73 said:

 

I don't hate the rear, it's giving me polestar vibes in terms of it's overall shape. But the side and front are rough as hell. 

[jpd80]

6 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

Without knowing the trim structure of the Explorer or Capri or whatever it’s called, the Mach E is more expensive at this point outside of the entry level trim. 

I just find interesting that they develop these two compact BEVs with similar starting price to Mach E select trim.

Apart from that, there’s only Premium and GT offered with loads of price gaps between the three depending on

RWD, AWD, battery size and other options. 
 

Im thinking that Ford has stuck a premium on the Cologne twins to guarantee certain outcomes that may or may not

include buyers likes and wants. They still kinda resemble the VW ID cousins…….that may or may not be a good thing.

[jpd80]

11 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:

It's mostly below the beltline, especially from the side that it looks like the explorer. That visual chunkiness does ok, not great but ok on the EV explorer. But it really doesn't flow well with the slanted roofline. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the initial design sketches were all swoopy and sporty, and Ford last minute was like "Let's use the same doors and fenders as the explorer to save money". 

Absolutely and I think VW did similar with ID.4 and ID.5 hatchback doors as well. Not straying far from VWs?

[rmc523]

37 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

I just find interesting that they develop these two compact BEVs with similar starting price to Mach E select trim.

Apart from that, there’s only Premium and GT offered with loads of price gaps between the three depending on

RWD, AWD, battery size and other options. 
 

Im thinking that Ford has stuck a premium on the Cologne twins to guarantee certain outcomes that may or may not

include buyers likes and wants. They still kinda resemble the VW ID cousins…….that may or may not be a good thing.

 

Maybe the idea is that since the European market is more focused on small cars, that Ford can offer a variety of different body styles in similar price points to cast a wide net over a broad customer base?

 

Mach E targets sporty customers

Explorer (still think that's a terrible name choice) targets customers that like a boxier look

This "capri" targets customers in between those two that may like a more sedan-like shape.

[jpd80]

1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

 

Maybe the idea is that since the European market is more focused on small cars, that Ford can offer a variety of different body styles in similar price points to cast a wide net over a broad customer base?

That’s a valid point, I get what Ford is trying to do with “Capri” and the BEV “Explorer” and tempering 

that against Mach E origins (course E Max design) and Ford’s E Focus replaced by a crossover.

 

I look at this whole mess back in 2017/2018 and realise that Ford didn’t trust itself to convert

the E Max into the vehicles we see now, the VW based vehicles being developed at Cologne.

Maybe the answer was more about battery supply from VW……something that’s now in the rear mirror.

 

 

1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

 

Mach E targets sporty customers

Explorer (still think that's a terrible name choice) targets customers that like a boxier look

This "capri" targets customers in between those two that may like a more sedan-like shape.

Just my opinion but I think Mach E was never wide enough to have the kind of lateral stability

and handling to attract the type of customer Ford was seeking - that slightly larger vehicle would

also justify the higher prices that Ford was seeking. but still, it an alternative to the Tesla Y.

 

I saddens me to think that Farley’s alternative was to spend nearly twice as much turning a sow’s 

ear into a slick purse and then having to use the Mustang brand to curry favour with Bill Ford.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by jpd80

[silvrsvt]

5 hours ago, T-dubz said:

Imo it doesn’t look much like the explorer ev at all. They tried to go for a cuv coupe look, but the back slant is way too much. Its getting close to being a lifted sedan here. I don’t have high hopes for this one. Maybe the camo is doing a great job, but this thing is terrible.

The door openings are identical and the green house is almost identical outside of getting rid of the wagon/two box look. 
 

It’s easy to change the front and rear clips. The other parts (mentioned above) are a lot harder. 
 

see the VW ID 4 and 5 for an example 

 

 

 

 

[jpd80]

19 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

The door openings are identical and the green house is almost identical outside of getting rid of the wagon/two box look. 
 

It’s easy to change the front and rear clips. The other parts (mentioned above) are a lot harder. 
 

see the VW ID 4 and 5 for an example 

 

 

 

I’m glad you picked up on that, not only the doors but the passenger compartment and front structure all appears to be common. That makes like 75-80% of the structure, electricals, suspension and trim common to both - the Capri is a genuine derivative of Explorer.

 

So these basically look like replacements for the Focus hatchback and the Kuga/Escape but I’m not convinced

that Ford’s European or UK buyer will embrace them at over 40,000 pounds - perhaps better than buying the VWs?

 

I hate autocorrect- the only thing it gets right is spelling itself, LOL

Edited November 10, 2023 by jpd80

[ausrutherford]

6 hours ago, T-dubz said:

Imo it doesn’t look much like the explorer ev at all. They tried to go for a cuv coupe look, but the back slant is way too much. Its getting close to being a lifted sedan here. I don’t have high hopes for this one. Maybe the camo is doing a great job, but this thing is terrible.

 

The front doors/mirrors appear to be the same. 

 

I would expect the same level of differentiation as the Mondeo and Evos in China. 

[Rick73]

23 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

see the VW ID 4 and 5 for an example 

 



 


Capri’s overall shape does look similar to VW ID-5.  Viewed from the rear the hatch area looks a little more aero than typical SUVs, though VW list Cd at 0.26 ~ 0.27 depending on variant.  Between these higher Cd numbers and greater frontal area due mainly to extra height, energy efficiency is considerably lower than a Tesla Model 3.  Consumption is similar to Mach-E.

 

[jpd80]

52 minutes ago, Rick73 said:

Capri’s overall shape does look similar to VW ID-5.  Viewed from the rear the hatch area looks a little more aero than typical SUVs, though VW list Cd at 0.26 ~ 0.27 depending on variant.  Between these higher Cd numbers and greater frontal area due mainly to extra height, energy efficiency is considerably lower than a Tesla Model 3.  Consumption is similar to Mach-E.

Considering these are basically the same vehicle as either a hatchback or utility, the Cd is not far adrift of the Tesla Y with 0.24 (?).

 

In any regard,  I think Ford started getting buyer’s remorse for the VWs years ago and has replaced things likeVW’s MEB  batteries, controllers, motors and electrical drives with its own sourced items. To me, that’s probably a better use of funds than continually paying out fees to VW. I think the bodies are unfortunate because more should have been done to make them more attractive and slightly more aero.

 

 

[DeluxeStang]

3 hours ago, Rick73 said:

Capri’s overall shape does look similar to VW ID-5.  Viewed from the rear the hatch area looks a little more aero than typical SUVs, though VW list Cd at 0.26 ~ 0.27 depending on variant.  Between these higher Cd numbers and greater frontal area due mainly to extra height, energy efficiency is considerably lower than a Tesla Model 3.  Consumption is similar to Mach-E.

 

Interesting how they basically swapped places. The EV explorer looks much better than the ID.4 to me, but the ID.5 looks better than this capri, at least so far. God, Ford really needs new design talent. 

 

They hired a new chief of design who made quite a few impressive designs when he worked Renault prior to joining Ford, and replacing Moray Callum. Here's hoping he brings some real energy to future ford designs. Ford seems to be slipping into the design lull Toyota fell into during the early to mid 2000s, where their cars just started to look really dated and uninspired immediately upon release. It'll probably be a few more years before we truly start to see his influence on the brand, but I'm hopeful. 

[Rick73]

4 hours ago, jpd80 said:

Considering these are basically the same vehicle as either a hatchback or utility, the Cd is not far adrift of the Tesla Y with 0.24 (?).

Interesting to note that while VW list the tall coupe-like ID-5 at 0.26 ~ 0.27 depending on variant (powertrain options?), the more conventional SUV ID-4 is rated between 0.27 ~ 0.29.  This gives us some quantitative perspective on how much reworking the rear hatch area accomplishes.

 

An option VW offers (in Europe) that I like is offering the larger battery with the standard RWD and same standard motor power.  Larger battery adds 256 pounds which should make it a bit slower, but for buyers who care more about range than acceleration, it’s a great option to minimize cost.  Tesla should consider that as well on Model 3 at least (extended range battery combined with standard RWD power).

[Rick73]

1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said:

Interesting how they basically swapped places. The EV explorer looks much better than the ID.4 to me, but the ID.5 looks better than this capri, at least so far. God, Ford really needs new design talent. 

Both VW look newer and cleaner to me.  Could be camo, but smoother curved transition from top of A pillar to roofline looks more modern.  Again, could be camo, but Ford angular door glass makes it look more old-school to me.  I should be the very last person commenting on styling though. ? 

[jpd80]

2 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

Interesting how they basically swapped places. The EV explorer looks much better than the ID.4 to me, but the ID.5 looks better than this capri, at least so far. God, Ford really needs new design talent. 

 

They hired a new chief of design who made quite a few impressive designs when he worked Renault prior to joining Ford, and replacing Moray Callum. Here's hoping he brings some real energy to future ford designs. Ford seems to be slipping into the design lull Toyota fell into during the early to mid 2000s, where their cars just started to look really dated and uninspired immediately upon release. It'll probably be a few more years before we truly start to see his influence on the brand, but I'm hopeful. 

It looks like they’re stuck with a design language from the twenty teens and don’t know how to transition,

that flat looking nose on the pair of them does nothing for the aero figures and looks quite meh to Euro tastes.

 

I get back to Ford just can’t connect with its regional customers and it’s exactly as you painted, this new designer

was supposed to do wonderful things but sorry, I’m not seeing it in these designs…

 

20 minutes ago, Rick73 said:

Both VW look newer and cleaner to me.  Could be camo, but smoother curved transition from top of A pillar to roofline looks more modern.  Again, could be camo, but Ford angular door glass makes it look more old-school to me.  I should be the very last person commenting on styling though. ? 

Hey, everyone is entitled to their say but I think the Oakville areo styling would have suited Euro tastes better

and keep these bulbous styles for the North American three row twins….

Explorer name for this vehicle is a mistake - more like Kuga replacement and as for Capri,

an iconic car name like Mustang - I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s strong negative reaction.

 

It looks like they went for the chunky styling that execs were talking about a year or so ago, 

maybe that was the soften up for this but to me it doesn’t seem rugged, more  like melted chocolate….

 

Edited November 12, 2023 by jpd80