Sherminator98 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 https://www.thedrive.com/news/nearly-half-of-young-americans-dont-want-to-own-a-car-survey Quote At least a third of participants in every region replied that they were somewhat willing, willing, or very willing to no longer own a car. In the United States, 44% of respondents said they were ready to give up car ownership. For context, the survey’s lowest figure is 35%, which is attributed to Autobahn-loving Germans. At the other end of the spectrum, a whopping 70% of the folks surveyed in India would prefer a MaaS solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just wait until they get married and have kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, mackinaw said: Just wait until they get married and have kids. Younger generations aren't having kids for various reasons. There are huge demographic implications from this that are already showing in the EU because of this. It used to be around 2.3 children per family and now its down to 1.94 as of 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Absolute nonsense. This is the law of the universe: Boy meets girl, they fall in love, marry, and start a family. They buy a SUV too, to haul the kids around. That's the way it's always been, and always will be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 19 minutes ago, mackinaw said: Boy meets girl, they fall in love, marry, and start a family. They buy a SUV too, to haul the kids around. In India they buy (or borrow) a motorcycle, moped, or bicycle to haul the kids around. Or hail a rickshaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 4 hours ago, mackinaw said: Just wait until they get married and have kids. I couldn't care less about any of that crap, if anything, it makes it harder to justify someone a sports car lol. The fact that my generation isn't really having kids and doesn't really need to own something with a ton of space for people or things is actually one of the reasons I believe coupes and other cars could make a resurgence in the future. Maybe not to their all time peak, but sell more than they are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Bill Ford was talking about how when they look at their sites, it's actually young people who are configuring cars the most. So the passion, and interest is there, but as he mentioned, there's an issue with affordablilty. He talked about how Ford needed to focus on that more moving forward, which seems to be a growing sentiment within the company. I can actually see shared low cost platforms being the key for Ford and other brands to offer interesting, yet obtainable cars in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, mackinaw said: Absolute nonsense. This is the law of the universe: Boy meets girl, they fall in love, marry, and start a family. They buy a SUV too, to haul the kids around. That's the way it's always been, and always will be. Unless you live in the city and can walk to the grocery store and restaurants. Parking is expensive and they rent a vehicle for trips outside the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: Bill Ford was talking about how when they look at their sites, it's actually young people who are configuring cars the most. Ol' Billy Boy is takin' seriously the trends away from car ownership among the youngins. He said the following a few years ago: It probably is not a surprise to hear that cars and trucks are in my blood. They are my family heritage, my life’s work, and my deep passion. Given how much I love cars, it may surprise some of you that I believe the auto industry needs to rethink its approach. At a TED Conference, I delivered a clear, perhaps surprising, message: we just can’t keep making and selling automobiles the way we always have. The current industry model simply will not work everywhere in the future. For most of my adult life, I worried about, “How am I going to sell more cars and trucks?” But today, I worry about, “What happens if all we do is sell more cars and trucks?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 This underscores why cheap entry level cars aimed at 16-20 yr olds are not nearly as important as they used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 (edited) 11 hours ago, mackinaw said: Absolute nonsense. This is the law of the universe: Boy meets girl, they fall in love, marry, and start a family. They buy a SUV too, to haul the kids around. That's the way it's always been, and always will be. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/the-experiences-of-u-s-adults-who-dont-have-children/ Quote And the share of U.S. adults younger than 50 without children who say they are unlikely to ever have kids rose 10 percentage points between 2018 and 2023 (from 37% to 47%), according to a Pew Research Center survey. Edited January 20 by Sherminator98 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 17 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/the-experiences-of-u-s-adults-who-dont-have-children/ The issue is a lot of younger people want to have kids, but just can't afford them. According to some sources, it's about 300k to raise a kid from 0-18. This girl my brother was dating wanted 6 or more. That's just not feasible for a lot of young people these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) I recall when U.S. population topped 200 million in 1967. We're now at 340 million, and climbing. In fact for 2024, the U.S. had the biggest population growth increase in two decades. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/12/population-estimates.html#:~:text=The U.S. population reached 340.1,0.99% between 2000 and 2001. Edited January 20 by mackinaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, mackinaw said: I recall when U.S. population topped 200 million in 1967. We're now at 340 million, and climbing. In fact for 2024, the U.S. had the biggest population growth increase in two decades. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/12/population-estimates.html#:~:text=The U.S. population reached 340.1,0.99% between 2000 and 2001. Net International Migration Drives Highest U.S. Population Growth in Decades Quote The growth was primarily driven by rising net international migration. The Demographic Outlook: 2024 to 2054 Quote Fertility CBO projects fertility rates on the basis of its assessment of historical trends and other factors. For the 20 years before the 2007–2009 recession, the total fertility rate was 2.02 children per woman, on average. After peaking at 2.12 in 2007, the rate has generally fallen, largely because of lower fertility rates among women ages 15 to 24.1 The rate equaled 1.64 births per woman in 2020 and rose to 1.67 in 2022 (the most recent year for which data were available when the projections were made). In CBO’s projections, the total fertility rate remains at 1.67 births per woman through 2024 and then rises as fertility rates increase among women ages 30 to 49. In CBO’s assessment, that increase in fertility rates occurs, at least in part, because some of the decline in fertility at younger ages stems from delayed childbearing. By 2034, the total fertility rate is projected to be 1.70 births per woman, where it remains through 2054. Long term the popluation is going to shrink because of age and people having less children to replace the ones dying off. Edited January 20 by Sherminator98 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pictor Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Most of the 30 something friends of my 30 something twins are not reproducing. Long term relationships and homes but no interest in bringing more people into this world. I am afraid we are heading to scenario envisioned in the movie Idiocracy. Interestingly they also have little interests in new cars either. They feel they have better things to do with their money then put it into a depreciating asset. Anecdotal at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, pictor said: Most of the 30 something friends of my 30 something twins are not reproducing. Long term relationships and homes but no interest in bringing more people into this world. I am afraid we are heading to scenario envisioned in the movie Idiocracy. Interestingly they also have little interests in new cars either. They feel they have better things to do with their money then put it into a depreciating asset. Anecdotal at best. On the other hand, a buddy of mine had three daughters, now all in their 30's. The youngest daughter has five kids (two sets of twins), the middle daughter has four kids and the eldest daughter has four kids. Three girls, 13 kids. The middle daughter, before she was married, had no interest in getting a driver's license. She now drives some sort of Subaru SUV. As you say, anecdotal at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 21 hours ago, Sherminator98 said: Younger generations aren't having kids for various reasons. There are huge demographic implications from this that are already showing in the EU because of this. It used to be around 2.3 children per family and now its down to 1.94 as of 2023. Even worse in China where the fertility rate is 1.2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 52 minutes ago, Texasota said: Even worse in China where the fertility rate is 1.2. And nearly 50% of there population is over the age of 50 also 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 11 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: The issue is a lot of younger people want to have kids, but just can't afford them. According to some sources, it's about 300k to raise a kid from 0-18. This girl my brother was dating wanted 6 or more. That's just not feasible for a lot of young people these days. It’s actually about choices. You either choose to have kids or you don’t. if you think you’re going to plan it out for the right time, there’s never a right time. Life is what happens when you are busy making plans. It’s about what you want to prioritize in your life. For all the young people who aren’t choosing to have kids and prioritizing other things, I’m sorry to hear that. The best part of my life is being a parent. Even with all the ups and downs of parenting, it is something I would never change. Never mind the fact that your bloodline will disappear in the end, which is pretty sad. Edited January 21 by tbone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, tbone said: It’s actually about choices. You either choose to have kids or you don’t. if you think you’re going to plan it out for the right time, there’s never a right time. Life is what happens when you are busy making plans. It’s about what you want to prioritize in your life. For all the young people who aren’t choosing to have kids and prioritizing other things, I’m sorry to hear that. The best part of my life is being a parent. Even with all the ups and downs of parenting, it is something I would never change. Never mind the fact that your bloodline will disappear in the end, which is pretty sad. I get what you're saying, there will never be a perfect time to make it happen, you just gotta go for it. I don't believe you need to be a millionaire to have kids or anything like that, but you still gotta plan, and try to have some stability. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I have a few friends, whose kids grew up with me, I'm the adopted uncle. And only one wants kids. Most of them cited they didn't have the patience, nor see the benefit of it, one said she didn't live in the Hallmark channel, and all those fantasies that what makes a perfect life with kids, was BS (she's my favorite), then I have the other one (who her father came out of the closet) she doesn't want the kids to introduce kids into this nasty atmosphere. One kid, his mother and I had to bully him to drive, because he didn't want to... I'm like "Your mother and I were born and raised in Miami, you need to learn to drive mthfkr! You're living in SUburbs, don't be a lil B"... he did...ironically in his household, he prefers the Fusion over the Edges... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 On 1/19/2025 at 10:34 PM, mackinaw said: Absolute nonsense. This is the law of the universe: Boy meets girl, they fall in love, marry, and start a family. They buy a SUV too, to haul the kids around. That's the way it's always been, and always will be. No disrespect meant, but unfortunately you're wrong. These kids today only want to play games on their phones and watch videos. They don't want to work for DOT's and municipal public works agencies, don't want to drive and certainly can't afford a NEW car! There's no way they can support a wife and kids today. Even if the wife works, they'll still struggle to make ends meet. I couldn't wait to get my license when i was 16. My grandson didn't get his license till 18. Police depts. have to place electronic signs on roads inviting people to apply for a police officer job. Join a volunteer fire dept.? Forget it! Most young generations never leave the nest! My daughter is going broke supporting my 19 and 20 yr. old grandchildren! And she makes good money! Not only that, but young lads today are afraid to ask a girl on a date for fear of harassment lawsuits! Forget propositioning them! Wages have not kept up with rising property taxes, food costs, clothing, insurance...........you name it! Did I miss anything? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisgb Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 17 hours ago, Joe771476 said: Wages have not kept up with rising property taxes, food costs, clothing, insurance...........you name it! Did I miss anything? Don't forget daycare. In most young heterosexual families, married or not, both are wage earners by choice, necessitating daycare for one or more children. Even if one or both can work from home, it is non productive to have preschool age children at home all day. Licensed daycare runs $2-400 per week for one child and less for each additional child in my area. That's an Explorer payment. One place in a toney suburb where one of my daughter's family lives, is $2600/mo. no discounts, but the tykes can learn Spanish. Edited January 22 by Chrisgb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Part of less interest in having a car is the cost. Sure, the purchase cost is high, but the other costs are rising faster, and include insurance, taxes, registration, maintenance, and fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/19/2025 at 7:29 PM, Sherminator98 said: https://www.thedrive.com/news/nearly-half-of-young-americans-dont-want-to-own-a-car-survey That's nothing! 73% of consumers say they can't afford to buy a new car! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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