Loathsome Cars

[theripper]

using domestic/foreign car purchases as a liberal or conservative action is ludicrous.

 

people on this board like to equate liberals with buying foreign, and conservatives as buying domestic. that's horseshit. just take a look at any church parking lot on sunday morning...full of camry's and accord's.

 

much of my family is part of the religious right, and they all swoon over the toyota line (lexus included) as if it was the second coming. most of them admit their dream car is the prius.

 

if car choice is supposed to be patriotic, then why don't all conservatives drive american cars? why don't the hannity "great americans" all drive domestic? hypocrites, maybe??

[syrtran]

I don't "hate" any car per se. I realize that different people have different needs and tastes, but I do have some annoyances.

 

Thomas Stallkamp, for selling out (and possibly killing) Chrysler for a few more retirement bucks

 

Pontiac/GM management for applying the "big ugly" look on the Aztek, an otherwise amazing vehicle.

 

Porsche SUVs (Please, please - the Cayenne is bad enough, don't Stuttgart the Tiguan, too)

 

Honda Ridgeline (Make it a real truck dammit, not a cut-down Pilot - RWD and unit-body are not exclusive - Ford did it 47 years ago). And stop with the manga styling, already.

 

Toyota Camry and Corolla, for looking awful (not even bland) after so many nice-looking (or bland) versions

 

Toyota FJ Cruisers for having unnecessary huge blind spots

 

Hyundai designers for using everyone else's styling - and getting away with it

 

Anyone talking on a hand-held cell phone while driving (except cops - but they should have department-provided hands-free kits)

 

Ford Product managers for not following up the SVO. Yes, I realize modern GTs handle just as well, but imagine a Mustang with 'Vette-like handling and balance. And the FRPP suspension kit doesn't cut it. (Here's hoping for an EB 4-banger in the Mustang)

 

And lastly, Bentley for not pricing the Continental GT where I can afford it. :D (Are you listening, Lincoln?)

[syrtran]

using domestic/foreign car purchases as a liberal or conservative action is ludicrous.

Agreed. Avowed liberal here (except in certain areas - see below), but the only outright import I've owned was the Kia Rio - er Mazda 121 - er Ford Festiva, and the Probe was a quasi-import (built in AAI Flat Rock, engine from Hiroshima), and I've considered an RX-8 - but all in the Ford family. Everything else, Tribute included, was domestic (and Ford, naturally).

 

 

Note - I've yet to see anti-gun legislation that I like (not a gun owner), and, IMO, 35 MPG fleet (trucks included) is impossible. Oh, and stop with the anti-consumer copyright legislation, already.

[P71_CrownVic]

More or less any import but mostly Jap cars, One car in particular is the Prius as the driver is usually some tree hugging animal loving liberal fool that thinks it's cool to do 45 on the highway ( until the high beams come on and they have 3 tons of detriot iron behind them).

 

Yeah...screw those people who want to save money and get good gas mileage. They are bringing this country DOWN!

 

 

Here is my question...do you hate the Escape Hybrid just as much as you do the Prius? Or are you applying a double standard?

 

Also any import with a proud to be an American sticker on the back will get me yelling out the window

 

Would you like a Fusion with a "Proud to be an American" sticker?

 

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You sound like a chest thumpin, flag waving kinda of guy (or gal). Do you like all of the freedoms you have in this country? Do you like the fact that, here in this country, you can make thousands of dollars, take that hard earned money anywhere you want and spend it on anything you want? If you do, then shut up...I have just as much right to buy a Camry (where are they made again?) as I do my Canadian Crown Vic.

 

Just because someone buys an import (BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Hyundai) DOES NOT mean they 'hate America'.

 

What if a Ferrari had a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker on it...would you yell just as loud?

 

And another quick question:

 

Do you own a TV? computer, monitor, printer, DVD player, etc? If so, where were they made?

Edited September 14, 2008 by P71_CrownVic

[P71_CrownVic]

using domestic/foreign car purchases as a liberal or conservative action is ludicrous.

 

Same with ripping on a person who buys an import.

[timmm55]

using domestic/foreign car purchases as a liberal or conservative action is ludicrous.

 

people on this board like to equate liberals with buying foreign, and conservatives as buying domestic. that's horseshit. just take a look at any church parking lot on sunday morning...full of camry's and accord's.

 

much of my family is part of the religious right, and they all swoon over the toyota line (lexus included) as if it was the second coming. most of them admit their dream car is the prius.

 

if car choice is supposed to be patriotic, then why don't all conservatives drive american cars? why don't the hannity "great americans" all drive domestic? hypocrites, maybe??

 

Agreed. I'm a liberal too, drive a 05 Mustang GT (with an Obama window sticker!) and a 72 Montego. Stereotypes are stupid.

 

I dislike the Bangle butt BMWs, they are ugly, they look like they copied a 90s Cirrus but worse, the owners are pretenious (proud of fugly?) and the i drive and other controls are counter intuitive to use.

[FordBuyer]

Personally, anyone that drives a car, I see them as "not caring about the environment"...if someone truely did, they would find alternatives like biking or walking. BUT realistically, most of us need vehicles anyways, so this is totally irrelevant.

 

Although I got a laugh out of a Prius with a "Sports Package" (I think it was an aftermarket add on)...Sport= Prius, just doesn't sound right. It was comical to see that though.

 

Yep, I'm an avid cyclist, and put over 1,000 miles on my bike this summer, and use it for going up to store or bank most of time, and I put my self way up over any Prius only driver. My bicycle burns nothing but calories and no emissions. My only problem are drivers who refuse to check crosswalks and yield to bicyclists. Many will run you over in a hearbeat and hybrids are more dangerous because you can't hear them. When it comes to being most green, pedestrians and bicyclists lead the pack. Next come those who use mass transportation to get to work and back. And next are those who van or car pool to work. Last are those who drive their own vehicle to work by themselves whether they drive hybrid or not.

[Michael Reynolds]

Sorry Mike, but I disagree.

 

The comments on here against H/K were "blanket" statements. No particular vehicle was named.

 

That said, if the poster believes that the entire vehicle lines of these two makers are equally "loathsome", then the poster is simply posting personal vitriol that has nothing to do with whether H/K vehicles as a group truly deserve to be loathed.

 

 

For example....

 

Honda Element - loathsome

Honda Corp as a whole - Not loathsome

 

Civilian Hummers - loathsome

GM as a whole - Not loathsome

 

You get my point.

 

Had anyone posted "I just despise the Hyundai Accent", or "The Kia Amanti looks like a Mercury Topaz that swallowed an air hose!", then I'd tend to agree with you.

 

However, H/K's entire lineups cannot be objectively "loathed" by someone, without that person displaying their ignorance, bias, or own personal insecurities.

 

Thus the logic behind my original statement that H/K must be starting to be successful enough with auto purchasers (aka: "doing something right") to register on the blanket loathing spectrum of the traditional Big 3 types (read: insecure) who post on here.

 

-Ovaltine

 

Well aside from the Genesis, Hyundai/Kia's lineup is filled with rather dull styled boring to drive vehicles. Aside from the Genesis I really can't recall a single vehicle in either automakers history that required a second look.

[Sixt9coug]

Yeah...screw those people who want to save money and get good gas mileage. They are bringing this country DOWN!

So would you buy an Accord as well to "save money and get good gas milage" over something like your beloved Malibu?

 

Here is my question...do you hate the Escape Hybrid just as much as you do the Prius? Or are you applying a double standard?

 

I actually dont mind the Escape Hybrid at all. I also LIKED the Civic Hybrid because of its unpretentious styling and its ability to blend in as a regular car. Hey, its the same as the Escape in that respect. My issue iisnt always with the Hybrids, i think they are not a sound economic decision, but the Prius drivers are the ones most likely to rub your face in it. I should have taken the picture of the Prius i saw in Baltimore earlier this year with the rear bumper and decklid plastered in all sorts of far left stickers. I dont see many Escape Hybrids or Civics like that.

 

Would you like a Fusion with a "Proud to be an American" sticker?

FYI, none of my vehicles has any type of sticker on it. No Crossbusters, Skankers or Milo Auckerman characters. Not even a McCain/Palin sticker, a NOBAMA sticker or even the dreadful Obama 2008 sticker. (sorry Tim :D)

 

Just because someone buys an import (BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Hyundai) DOES NOT mean they 'hate America'.

i agree with you there. I would buy a Ford even if its not built in the States or in a UAW plant.

 

What if a Ferrari had a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker on it...would you yell just as loud?

we could yell but the driver wouldnt be able to hear it over the blaring techno music coming out of his speakers

[Edstock]

What if a Ferrari had a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker on it...would you yell just as loud?

A lot of proud Americans have driven Ferraris. People like Phil Hill, for example, who won the F-1 driving title for the marque, and Dan Gurney, who raced Testa Rossas.

[Bigbuck15]

out here its the ghetto wannabes that have 22s - 28s on them bumping some sort of rap music while cutting in and out of traffic.

 

I see more of those types driving them than anything else, and ive never seen a Bush sticker on one either. Thats more of a Suburban kind of thing, Escalades and Navigators around here at least are the cars of thugster G Unit types that leased it and usually have a large dent somewhere on the vehicle.

 

I can't stand when someone calls a Navi and escalade with rims ghetto,that's so damn stupid.Why the hell do you have to be a thug because your bump your system that you paid for.Shit like what you said annoys the hell out of me.

[danup]

Saturn Astra.

 

GM has a brilliant idea, makes a fine car, doesn't follow up on it, makes a bad car, and then decides that the idea was the problem, and not the ugly car they replaced the SL with. The Astra is probably a wonderful car, but every time I see it (which is not often) I think: gee, GM, wouldn't it be nice to have those 250,000 small car sales a year instead of losing money on a car imported from Belgium?

[chevys]

Im down on anything with a fart can hooked up to it with a big wing and stickers. I dont discriminate on brand either. Im not too hip on the getto burbans and navis like sixty9coug described rollin on their 22's and rap blasters.

 

Bascially, I have no problem with a econobox car like a corolla. They have their purpose in life but dont put a fart can on it along with a body kit please. Im the taste police when it comes to this sort of thing. Please say no to rice and that means your Ford and Chevy also.

[SVT_MAN]

You're rather conservative to be a member of one the few true socialist systems in America. A few mailings give your union a say in whom you vote for? It seems like you have stronger convictions than that.

 

 

That said, I loathe any car that is about image. That includes the Prius (especially when driven at 80 mph), luxury suvs, and most entry level German cars. Buy a car because it performs well, it's convenient, it's comfortable, it's efficient, or it's fun to drive. Never drive a car because it says something about you.

 

Our education system is horrible. I won't put my kids through it if and when I have any. I'll either home school or private school.

 

And, yes, you're right .. my convictions are stronger than a mailer or phone calls that I get from union rep's. I have frequently told the rep. that my vote is my vote not the district's vote, and I vote based upon issues and not based upon what the union feels will be best. I would prefer not to even be in a union. The only thing I have seen a union do is protect people who should be in trouble.

 

That said, not everybody's convictions are as strong as mine. Some people are pushovers ... I can tell you from personal experience that the majority of people I've met in education have no business voting at all because they have no clue what affects school budgets. They all assume that our school's budget is reduced because of Bush's tax cuts, when in fact the majority of the budget cutbacks have been due to lower enrollment rates and reallocations of funds by the school board. In fact, it is mainly the board that is creating the cutbacks - moving money into other areas, namely the superintendent's pocket!

 

Our schools have their priorities all mixed up. For instnace, my district is spending thousands of dollars implementing Promethean boards (similar to SMART Boards) across the district.

 

What's the problem here? Well a) Promethean boards are expensive B) teachers are using them incorrectly c) the district has been laying off teacher aides left and right

 

What do I mean by that? I mean that children in the school where I work often can't even learn properly because of the environment. What the school needs to do to improve children's education at my school is to improve the quality of the environment they are learning in. Having 30 kids to a classroom without an aide is ludicrous. They could improve the quality of the environment by investing in PEOPLE instead of technological gadgets (basically toys). Keep in mind, I work in a school in a technology-related job. I love technology, but I don't believe it shoud be implemented for technology's sake. (If you're having trouble catching on to that concept, should Ford buy a robot to do a job that a human can do better and more efficiently?) They could have hired aides to help out instead. Instead they bought Promethean boards and slashed positions - and our kids are the ones suffering for it.

 

I personally feel you could give a school board infinite tax dollars to fund a district, and the education of the students would STILL be lackluster because the school board where I work is more interested in being innovative and making a name for themselves than being effective. PEOPLE make the biggest difference in education. Resources are about 10% of what makes a school tick. When the school boards figure that out, maybe we'll be getting somewhere.

 

out here its the ghetto wannabes that have 22s - 28s on them bumping some sort of rap music while cutting in and out of traffic.

 

I see more of those types driving them than anything else, and ive never seen a Bush sticker on one either. Thats more of a Suburban kind of thing, Escalades and Navigators around here at least are the cars of thugster G Unit types that leased it and usually have a large dent somewhere on the vehicle.

 

ROFL. Couldn't agree with you more. I think that type of Navi and Scalde drivers are apolitical anyway.

Edited September 14, 2008 by SVT_MAN

[94bronco]

Yeah...screw those people who want to save money and get good gas mileage. They are bringing this country DOWN!

 

 

Here is my question...do you hate the Escape Hybrid just as much as you do the Prius? Or are you applying a double standard?

 

Not at all, See an Escape Hybrid looks just like a regular Hybrid and the owner is usually not buying it for image, And I will say screw those people who buy a car funded by the Japanese government with people being worked to death in the factory that it is built in! The next time I hear someone say "why can't Ford or GM build something like this?" I will ask them why they don't support our government helping out Ford and GM or possibly placing a tariff on them?

Would you like a Fusion with a "Proud to be an American" sticker?

Yes I would actually like that, I hope I don't have to explain how buying a Fusion is actually helping keep more jobs in America than a Camry ever wil. Maybe if the playing field was level then Ford would not have to produce the Fusion in Mexico, But instead people will bitch about how Ford builds "all" their cars in Mexico while Toyota uses slave labor to build Camry seats over in Japan!------------

 

You sound like a chest thumpin, flag waving kinda of guy (or gal). Do you like all of the freedoms you have in this country? Do you like the fact that, here in this country, you can make thousands of dollars, take that hard earned money anywhere you want and spend it on anything you want? If you do, then shut up...I have just as much right to buy a Camry (where are they made again?) as I do my Canadian Crown Vic.

Simple economics here, Crown Vic built in Canda by an American company with most of the profit going to America ( since supposedly the Panther's make a goldmine) or a car built in a factory in America that was constructed by a Japanese steel company with massive tax breaks included im sure with a large portion of the profit heading right over to Japan. Do I need to mention the slave labor for parts again?

Just because someone buys an import (BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Hyundai) DOES NOT mean they 'hate America'.

Not all of them but there are a large portion of import buyers who associate buying American with buying junk and to them it's the cliche thing to buy foreign, To me that is sickening.

What if a Ferrari had a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker on it...would you yell just as loud?

 

And another quick question:

 

Do you own a TV? computer, monitor, printer, DVD player, etc? If so, where were they made?

 

 

Of course I own some of those products but if there is an American equivalent availible I will ALWAYS spend the extra money to buy a far superior product even if it means spending $225 on a fine pair of american made Redwing boots. It's clear to see that if we don't start helping out the American automakers then the industry is going to end up like the countless other industries in our Country that have already fallen to the cheap labor of other countries and I do not want to see that happen in my lifetime!

[Sixt9coug]

I can't stand when someone calls a Navi and escalade with rims ghetto,that's so damn stupid.Why the hell do you have to be a thug because your bump your system that you paid for.Shit like what you said annoys the hell out of me.

 

 

because it IS ghetto? I live in SoCal. The rich older people that have Escalades, and Navis dont have 26s on them, Gucci interiors and Lambo doors on their cars while they drive around with the rear glass open along Long Beach Blvd with some crappy ass Daddy Yankee or some rat bastard fake ass wanna be gangsta thug music while they cut in and out of traffic because they apparantly have somewhere to go. Nor do they have Raiders stickers, stupid car club stickers like "BallerZ Only" on the back of their truck while they cant even afford to fix the keyed paint all along the side of their car.

 

So yes, its stupid. If you are offended, well so be it. Ive lived in SoCal all my life in a less than rich and prestigious area so ive seen these dumbasses all my life. in the 80s it was hooptie Monte Carlos on Daytons. In the 90s it was Blazers and Chevy 454 SS trucks. Now its Last Gen Monte Carlos on 22s and Excalades on 26s. If what i said annoys you, im glad to return the favor.

[the_spaniard]

I wouldn't say I hate any vehicles per se, but they are ugly vehicles that I don't particularly care for:

 

1.) Chevy Avalanche (do they still make these?)

2.) Dodge Charger

3.) Ford Focus

4.) Scion XB

5.) Lincoln Anything

6.) Cadillac Anything

7.) Pretty Much Toyota Anything except the Prius

 

Personally, I like seeing American flags on any vehicle.

 

The notion that only American products are quality products and superior to import products is quite funny. Are there a lot of cheap import crap products out there? You bet. There are a lot of great import products as well, and in some cases superior to the American counterparts.

Edited September 15, 2008 by the_spaniard

[Mark B. Morrow]

Anything that rattles my teeth sitting 3 cars behind me at a light. I like music but at least I don't blast it so everyone on the block can share my taste. HUMMERS driven by tiny women on their cell phones have been known to raise my ire, especially when they won't hang up while trying to parallel park. I usually just laugh at the kids with mom's Civic sedan with the wing and fart can exhaust.

[the_spaniard]

Anything that rattles my teeth sitting 3 cars behind me at a light.

 

 

DEFINITELY agree. I grow tired of people that didn't get enough attention as children.

[napoleon]

Corvettes, not so much the car itself but the people that drive them.

[Hemiman]

Hate to seem like I'm jumping on the band wagon, but: PRE-ASS for all the reasons already noted.

 

Second: Any FWD that followed the GM X-Car (Citation) template, (yes, that's just about all of them).

Edited September 16, 2008 by Hemiman

[atomaro]

3. Saab anything

2. BMW - Every yuppy a-hole in NJ has one and is responsible for 99.9% of roadrage cause they think the BMW gives them some sort of right to drive like a dipshit.

1. I hate every Camaro ever made....maybe its a Mustang thing.

Edited September 15, 2008 by atomaro

[StevenCaylor]

2. BMW - Every yuppy a-hole in NJ has one and is responsible for 99.9% of roadrage cause they think the BMW gives them some sort of right to drive like a dipshit.

 

 

What's the least used item on a BMW???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The turn signal indicator

[Ford Jellymoulds]

Yeah...screw those people who want to save money and get good gas mileage. They are bringing this country DOWN!

 

 

Here is my question...do you hate the Escape Hybrid just as much as you do the Prius? Or are you applying a double standard?

 

 

 

Would you like a Fusion with a "Proud to be an American" sticker?

 

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You sound like a chest thumpin, flag waving kinda of guy (or gal). Do you like all of the freedoms you have in this country? Do you like the fact that, here in this country, you can make thousands of dollars, take that hard earned money anywhere you want and spend it on anything you want? If you do, then shut up...I have just as much right to buy a Camry (where are they made again?) as I do my Canadian Crown Vic.

 

Just because someone buys an import (BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Hyundai) DOES NOT mean they 'hate America'.

 

What if a Ferrari had a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker on it...would you yell just as loud?

 

And another quick question:

 

Do you own a TV? computer, monitor, printer, DVD player, etc? If so, where were they made?

 

Would you buy a low cost Mondeo from our Russian friends P71 if it was cheap as peanuts just interested?

[Deanh]

What's the least used item on a BMW???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The turn signal indicator

LOL...SO DAMN TRUE...don't forget the service drive after the complimentary maintenence runs out...........