twintornados Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 (edited) BAM!!! Saw that one coming...... http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds...afx5667975.html My guess would be, Hyundai takes Jeep and Chrysler, Dodge will get bought by Renault-Nissan, VW gets left out in the cold for Routan, and Cerberus does what they do best.....buy a company, slice and dice it.....sell off the assets and walk away with a boatload of cash. Edited November 8, 2008 by twintornados Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I think it would make more sense for Fiat to buy Dodge, and the rights to Plymouth. They would get a US presence, have access to the Dodge dealer network to relaunch Alfa Romeo in the US, and use Plymouth to badge certain Fiats to sell here, since the Fiat name is still garbage here even after 25 years' absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 Carlos Ghosn needs Dodge for the truck division.....he can use Dodge cars as an outlet for Renault since Nissan is already established in the US marketplace. He doesn't need Chrysler....and could beat Jeep at it's own game with some Nissan or Dodge product. The Koreans really need Jeep....Jeep could be expanded into trucks as well....there were Jeep trucks before, and Chrysler gives them them the upscale outlet that they desire. Imagine a replacement for the 300C with Genesis unpinnings and drive train. The only question left is....who gets the name "Hemi"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 BAM!!! Saw that one coming......http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds...afx5667975.html My guess would be, Hyundai takes Jeep and Chrysler, Dodge will get bought by Renault-Nissan, VW gets left out in the cold for Routan, and Cerberus does what they do best.....buy a company, slice and dice it.....sell off the assets and walk away with a boatload of cash. From the article it looks like the major GM aquisition problem was losing jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Carlos Ghosn needs Dodge for the truck division.....he can use Dodge cars as an outlet for Renault since Nissan is already established in the US marketplace. The Renault name has a similar reputation as Fiat in this country , no way they would try to reestablish it. As I think a bit more, Fiat wouldn't need to bring back Plymouth, just make 'em Dodges. But we'll see who gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Ford needs to push for the minivans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangfan100 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 The only question left is....who gets the name "Hemi"?? I think Dodge should get the HEMI name since they have a lot more Hemi models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 My guess would be, Hyundai takes Jeep and Chrysler, Dodge will get bought by Renault-Nissan, VW gets left out in the cold for Routan, and Cerberus does what they do best.....buy a company, slice and dice it.....sell off the assets and walk away with a boatload of cash. Honestly, I don't really see VW needing the Routan anyways.... Carlos Ghosn needs Dodge for the truck division.....he can use Dodge cars as an outlet for Renault since Nissan is already established in the US marketplace. He doesn't need Chrysler....and could beat Jeep at it's own game with some Nissan or Dodge product. The Koreans really need Jeep....Jeep could be expanded into trucks as well....there were Jeep trucks before, and Chrysler gives them them the upscale outlet that they desire. Imagine a replacement for the 300C with Genesis unpinnings and drive train. The only question left is....who gets the name "Hemi"?? While I don't know how "upscale" I'd consider Chrysler, I do think that they would be a better brand name in the marketplace for a Genesis-type vehicle than "Hyundai." Now I'm not saying Hyundai makes bad cars, it's just the name that kills any attempt at a luxury vehicle, like Genesis. As for who gets the Hemi name.....I say drop it for now. To the eyes of many consumers Hemi now = bad fuel economy, not the best thing in these times (yeah, I know fuel is down, but it probably won't be for long). Ford needs to push for the minivans! I think Ford could build a better minivan if they wanted. Quality/materials/looks wise, those things would need a complete overhaul anyways, IMO. Although I suppose buying the rights to the vans would allow Ford access to such things as the Stow/Swivel/etc 'N Go stuff. That said, I don't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 BAM!!! Saw that one coming......http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds...afx5667975.html Cerberus does what they do best.....buy a company, slice and dice it.....sell off the assets and walk away with a boatload of cash. Scum bags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Scum bags Yeah, Ford should be selling Volvo to them - they've lost $720 million in nine months!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Scum bags It's simple business. :reading: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Scum bags http://people.forbes.com/profile/dan-quayle/40153 Dan Quayle Director Heckmann Corporation Palm Desert , CA Sector: FINANCIAL / Diversified Investments 61 Years Old Dan Quayle joined Cerberus in 1999, and currently serves as Chairman of Cerberus Global Investments. Cerberus is one of the world's leading private investment firms, with over $27 billion in committed capital and offices in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Atlanta, London, Baarn (The Netherlands), Frankfurt, Osaka and Tokyo. As Chairman of Cerberus Global Investments, Dan Quayle has been actively involved in new business sourcing and marketing for Cerberus in North America, Asia and Europe. Mr. Quayle is currently a director of Aozora Bank, Tokyo, Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) Mr. Quayle is currently a director of Aozora Bank, Tokyo, Japan. Like he said, Scum Bags. Hell, I bet Dan can't even SPELL Cerberus! Edited November 10, 2008 by Pioneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Ford needs to push for the minivans! Why on earth would they do that? It's not like Chrysler's minivans are the best in the business anymore. If Ford wanted minivans, they'd be better off designing their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman100 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 What does Chrysler have that anyone would want? Maybe minivans and Jeeps. Even their new Charger and 300 will be gone soon enough. The Panther lives on!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I have to laugh at the comments about carving Chrysler up. The various nameplates (Dodge, Jeep, etc.) are not freestanding units. Think of Chrysler as a mobile home that is up for sale. No one in their right mind would make an offer to buy just the kitchen or back bedroom. It is a whole, not a pile of pieces. Now, trademarks and trade names could be sold. They could sell the Jeep name. But the Jeep division is pretty well integrated into the rest of the enterprise. And if someone buys Chrysler, they could just prune out the parts they do not want. Sort of like what Chrysler did to AMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Why on earth would they do that? Because in the next year or two, we will be in the market for one and I'll be dammed if I'm going to buy a foreign car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) Hyundai have denied wanting Chrysler, see: http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.deta...5.html?nav=5021 But the article suggests TATA may do some kind of deal. I'm guessing Land Rover want control of Jeep...... Edited November 10, 2008 by TStag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Because in the next year or two, we will be in the market for one and I'll be dammed if I'm going to buy a foreign car. So you'd rather have a plastic-fantastic rebadge of a Chrysler minivan? Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Like he said, Scum Bags. Hell, I bet Dan can't even SPELL Cerberus! Hi. I'm Dan Quayle and I work for Care Bears R Us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I think Ford could build a better minivan if they wanted. Aerostar, Windstar and Freestar were never top of the segment. Just like Toyota with pickups, Ford kept trying but never could do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Aerostar, Windstar and Freestar were never top of the segment. Just like Toyota with pickups, Ford kept trying but never could do it right. They never tried very hard. The earlier Windstars were probably the closest they got, but then they pretty much abandoned thorough development on anything that wasn't a truck. Imagine if they took the effort put into the Flex, Mustang, and F-150 and put it into a minivan. It could be tops in its segment. Ford just doesn't have the desire (or currently the resources) to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 3 players in the minivan business and thats probably all theres room for at this point. Honda Toyota and Chrysler. Chryslers latest exterior design is pretty ugly in my opinion and I'm fairly sure Honda is the recognized leader with the Oddesey. Anyone I know that has one loves it. Ford never got within a country mile of making a minivan as well. That was a very non-committal product for Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 They never tried very hard. The earlier Windstars were probably the closest they got, but then they pretty much abandoned thorough development on anything that wasn't a truck. Imagine if they took the effort put into the Flex, Mustang, and F-150 and put it into a minivan. It could be tops in its segment. Ford just doesn't have the desire (or currently the resources) to do it. The Windstar would've proabably been the best model, although from my understanding, Ford took to long to add a second sliding door, and by the time they did the competition, and buyers had moved on. 3 players in the minivan business and thats probably all theres room for at this point. Honda Toyota and Chrysler. Chryslers latest exterior design is pretty ugly in my opinion and I'm fairly sure Honda is the recognized leader with the Oddesey. Anyone I know that has one loves it. Ford never got within a country mile of making a minivan as well. That was a very non-committal product for Ford. Hyundai and Kia are still playing around there too. Personally, I think the Odyssey is the best looking minivan (at least until it's recent refresh....dont like the new taillights). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Why on earth would they do that? It's not like Chrysler's minivans are the best in the business anymore. If Ford wanted minivans, they'd be better off designing their own. Bingo. I'm not sure why Ford would have any desire to re-badge a product that doesn't come close to their current standards. The Chrysler vans are usable, but like other Chrysler products I wouldn't want to live with one over the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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