battyr Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Concept cars are needed to get attention when you don't have any new cars to show the customer. When you do have a great lineup concept only take your attention away from what you are trying to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Concept cars also tip your hand to the competition. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of Ford showing some cool concept, deciding it would not be feasible and then watching the Japanese or Koreans bring something suspiciously similar to market two years later. I have no problem with no Ford concepts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 oh, I wouldnt mind some ficticous sporty variants..... Here's one for ya: I'm going to start a board that somehow doesn't allow idiots to make posts.. YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. Having an autoshow without concepts is like driving a Mustang without a horse on it....It's part of the entertainment experience..it talks to the future..it speaks to the ideas that could some day become reality... My god...the entire Ford display without concepts.....I love Ford and I've made 100K on the stock in the last few days by selling like a freak when I bought it $1.95 because I believed in what they represented and what they will become but no goddamn concept cars? I'm going to GM...wait...they make nothing I'd every want to own...guess I'll stick with Jag's and RR's...LOL Like others, I'm fine with no concepts. I wholeheartedly agree with Mulally's view of not making concepts that have no production intent. As for GM - all they have to look at is concepts......with a chance of something similar being produced 5 years later.............cough VOLT.....cough...CAMARO.....cough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 http://www.elovaloazul.com.ar/manana/conce...yMC4Concept.jpg Somehow this was the predecessor to the last FWD Cougar. Really???? Why bother releasing the show car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) I'd rather see real cars instead of flights of fancy that never see production. The car may never see production, but several of its parts may.....case in point, the MKR and its Twinforce engine...the car never saw the light of day, but the engine is now upon us as EcoBoost, and while MKR never saw production, it was the first vehicle showing the new face of Lincoln....concept cars do make an impact on the design direction of companies....I am driving a 2006 Fusion that has a striking resemblance to the 427 concept. Concept cars are a great way to gauge public reaction....but for every "427"...there is an "Aztek" just waiting in the wings... ADD ON: another poster reminded me of the Fairlane concept of 2006...now the Ford Flex. Edited January 9, 2010 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 I personally like seeing the concept cars at the show, if they are pointing in the direction the company is headed both styling wise and ideas that they want to gauge the public's perception. Trust me if they would of debuted a concept of the Aztek at the show it would of been soundly rejected-unlike the way it went to market by consumer marketing groups. I will give Ford a pass this year but hopefully we will start seeing things a little further out in very loose styling terms. Plus Geneva seems to be the place where you see a bit more styling trends-especially with Ford doing global vehicles now what you see there will show up here. Loved the 427 vehicle-gorgeous and even better in person. Strangest vehicle I ever saw in Detroit was the Dodge motorcycle? WTF were they thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Channel 4 in Detroit had a sneak peek special about the NAIAS Auto Show last night, and they showed just a little of the new Focus. A Ford guy was with Channel 4 commentator on the Focus stand and pulled up the front part of the cover over it just a little. He revealed the lower front fascia and the fog lights. The lower fascia looks much like the Fiesta and the fog lights look like those on Euro speced Fiesta. No running lights like N.A. Fiesta. He commented that new Focus uses kinetic design heavily and has a muscular look I assume like the new Taurus. He commented upon the new Focus interior and said it would be totally unlike any Focus so far and said Ford put a lot of effort into Focus interior with lots of quality pieces. I believe the Focus will be revealed this Monday. They also showed the front end of the new Lincoln MKX which is also revealed this coming week and at NAIAS. I don't think the new Edge is going to be revealed at this show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Channel 4 in Detroit had a sneak peek special about the NAIAS Auto Show last night, and they showed just a little of the new Focus. A Ford guy was with Channel 4 commentator on the Focus stand and pulled up the front part of the cover over it just a little. He revealed the lower front fascia and the fog lights. The lower fascia looks much like the Fiesta and the fog lights look like those on Euro speced Fiesta. No running lights like N.A. Fiesta. He commented that new Focus uses kinetic design heavily and has a muscular look I assume like the new Taurus. He commented upon the new Focus interior and said it would be totally unlike any Focus so far and said Ford put a lot of effort into Focus interior with lots of quality pieces. I believe the Focus will be revealed this Monday. They also showed the front end of the new Lincoln MKX which is also revealed this coming week and at NAIAS. I don't think the new Edge is going to be revealed at this show. Got the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Trust me if they would of debuted a concept of the Aztek at the show it would of been soundly rejected-unlike the way it went to market by consumer marketing groups. From Wikipedia...First shown to the public in 1999, the Pontiac Aztek concept car was fairly well received.[3] It featured "Xtreme" futuristic styling and promised maximum versatility in support of a young and active lifestyle for its intended Generation 'X' buyer demographic. The production edition of the Aztek was launched with the tagline: "Quite possibly the most versatile vehicle on the planet." in conjunction with CBS's hit game show, Survivor in 2000.[4] Colby Donaldson won this car as a prize during the final reward challenge of Survivor: The Australian Outback.[4] Wikipedia Aztek article The original concept was quite well received, however, its actual execution on a minivan chassis was a flop of monumental proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Wikipedia Aztek article The original concept was quite well received, however, its actual execution on a minivan chassis was a flop of monumental proportions. That's the problem with concepts. They make promises that the production models don't deliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnV Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 That's the problem with concepts. They make promises that the production models don't deliver. Remember the first Lincoln Zephyr concept? Everyone loved it. When the production model came out it so much had changed from the concept that it lost a lot of original fans. At least the new MKZ honors the Zephyr concept much more than the production Zephyr. At least the Zephyr was produced. Something Ford never did with the incredible 2002 Lincoln Continental concept that everyone wanted to see in showrooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Remember the first Lincoln Zephyr concept? Everyone loved it. When the production model came out it so much had changed from the concept that it lost a lot of original fans. At least the new MKZ honors the Zephyr concept much more than the production Zephyr. At least the Zephyr was produced. Something Ford never did with the incredible 2002 Lincoln Continental concept that everyone wanted to see in showrooms. The Continental was suppose to but was canceled due to the money losses around 06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Remember the first Lincoln Zephyr concept? Everyone loved it. When the production model came out it so much had changed from the concept that it lost a lot of original fans. At least the new MKZ honors the Zephyr concept much more than the production Zephyr. At least the Zephyr was produced. Something Ford never did with the incredible 2002 Lincoln Continental concept that everyone wanted to see in showrooms. Yes, I remember it. While the production Zephyr wasn't bad, I too was disappointed they changed so much from the concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Remember the first Lincoln Zephyr concept? Everyone loved it. When the production model came out it so much had changed from the concept that it lost a lot of original fans. At least the new MKZ honors the Zephyr concept much more than the production Zephyr. At least the Zephyr was produced. Something Ford never did with the incredible 2002 Lincoln Continental concept that everyone wanted to see in showrooms. in fairness to the production Zephyr, many of the concept's photos were doctored (stretched to make it look wider and lower) & the production model had the WORST photography of ALL Time... ...imho there wasn't a decent official Ford photo of the car until the MKZ changeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Yes, I remember it. While the production Zephyr wasn't bad, I too was disappointed they changed so much from the concept. I loved that Zephyr concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Strangest vehicle I ever saw in Detroit was the Dodge motorcycle? WTF were they thinking? If memory serves, that was the work of Freeman Thomas, now with Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 http://www.elovaloazul.com.ar/manana/conce...yMC4Concept.jpg Somehow this was the predecessor to the last FWD Cougar. Really???? Why bother releasing the show car. I do believe MC2 was the concept you meant. The MC4 was built on the RWD platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagXFRGuy Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 I bought an '10 XFR yesterday....WHAT A CAR!..IT'S INSANE......JUST INSANE... so far only two things I don't like about it. Alot of feedback in the steering wheel from the road...and the other...I can't for the life of me figure out how the mirrors work....they're supposed to be electronic folding but neither the a/v unit or the actual buttons work to open and close them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I bought an '10 XFR yesterday....WHAT A CAR!..IT'S INSANE......JUST INSANE... so far only two things I don't like about it. Alot of feedback in the steering wheel from the road...and the other...I can't for the life of me figure out how the mirrors work....they're supposed to be electronic folding but neither the a/v unit or the actual buttons work to open and close them.... Congrats! New cars are always fun, and the XF is a gorgeous car. That being said... A new Jag with electrical "weirdness?" I don't believe it :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I bought an '10 XFR yesterday....WHAT A CAR!..IT'S INSANE......JUST INSANE... so far only two things I don't like about it. Alot of feedback in the steering wheel from the road...and the other...I can't for the life of me figure out how the mirrors work....they're supposed to be electronic folding but neither the a/v unit or the actual buttons work to open and close them.... Congrats, I hope you enjoy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) I bought an '10 XFR yesterday....WHAT A CAR!..IT'S INSANE......JUST INSANE... so far only two things I don't like about it. Alot of feedback in the steering wheel from the road...and the other...I can't for the life of me figure out how the mirrors work....they're supposed to be electronic folding but neither the a/v unit or the actual buttons work to open and close them.... You need a concrete post to properly utilize the feature: Edited January 10, 2010 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagXFRGuy Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 You mean to run into? I swear it's driving me crazy..I actually need the mirrors to fold in when it's parked in our garage otherwise the Range Rover's door comes really close to it...such problems...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) You mean to run into? I swear it's driving me crazy..I actually need the mirrors to fold in when it's parked in our garage otherwise the Range Rover's door comes really close to it...such problems...LOL Tstag must be a big fan of yours.....new XFR and Range Rover in the same garage! Edited January 10, 2010 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 If memory serves, that was the work of Freeman Thomas, now with Ford. I thought it was the German- Bernard something??? This is truly my favorite time of year though-just love this show and everything it stands for. Now if they would only get a new venue-Cobo Hall sucks!!! Now wonder why Chicago is getting so popular-the McCormick center is the place to hold this type of show. Well we can only dream:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 You mean to run into? I swear it's driving me crazy..I actually need the mirrors to fold in when it's parked in our garage otherwise the Range Rover's door comes really close to it...such problems...LOL Yep. I think it's on p. 1178 of section B of the second edition of the third volume of your owner's manual. And it's only available on CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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