jpd80 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Y'know what, I think this is a bastard mule - it's both. Hear me out - does this outline look like a current Ford or perhaps an all-new Lincoln?: But the nose is almost a direct copy of the Focus Electric (couldn't get the exact angle, but surely you can see what I mean...): If you read the article on Car and Driver where the pictures originate, you'll find that the grille has been left off, so it could be either next Gen Mondeo, Fusion or MKZ LINK Could It Be a Lincoln? Conspicuously absent from this prototype is a grille, leaving the door open for speculation that it is a 2013 Lincoln MKZ. We firmly believe it’s the Ford platform mate, however, considering that the hood’s leading edge appears far more compatible with a hexagonal grille insert, à la 2013 Taurus, than a Lincoln-style waterfall. Moreover, the worldwide-market Fusion/Mondeo are vastly more important than the U.S.-only MKZ, making them the higher development priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fou_bleu Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 If they knew that the grille was absent, wouldn't they know what it was originally then? Who says that isn't the actual grille? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 If they knew that the grille was absent, wouldn't they know what it was originally then? Who says that isn't the actual grille? No because the grille contains a lot of detail, Lincoln uses a very distinctive waterfall pattern, if you were trying to conceal that fact, removing the grille would be one way of doing that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fou_bleu Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 (edited) I'm confused, what do you think it is??? IMO, it's a bastard mule, made to deliberately cause this confusion among those discussing it. However, I can only be proven wrong when the real thing is unveiled and not beforehand, unless you know something we don't? EDIT: I do however understand what you are saying, but with the belief that Lincolns aren't sharing anymore body panels with Fords, the front isn't much of a difference from a Focus Electric... Edited August 7, 2011 by Aussie_Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I'm confused, what do you think it is??? IMO, it's a bastard mule, made to deliberately cause this confusion among those discussing it. However, I can only be proven wrong when the real thing is unveiled and not beforehand, unless you know something we don't? EDIT: I do however understand what you are saying, but with the belief that Lincolns aren't sharing anymore body panels with Fords, the front isn't much of a difference from a Focus Electric... No, the Mondeo with covered nose is a mule, probably to test HVAC, The pictures you posted is no mule, it's a near complete new car, I suspect it's the next Lincoln MKZ due to removal of signature grille. But it could quite easily be next generation Fusion or even Mondeo, Ford is keeping us guessing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Grille Shutters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Y'know what, I think this is a bastard mule - it's both... I'm confused, what do you think it is??? IMO, it's a bastard mule, made to deliberately cause this confusion among those discussing it. However, I can only be proven wrong when the real thing is unveiled and not beforehand, unless you know something we don't? EDIT: I do however understand what you are saying, but with the belief that Lincolns aren't sharing anymore body panels with Fords, the front isn't much of a difference from a Focus Electric... I agree imho the tail lites look Lincolny (wheels too fwiw) & the hood looks like the Frankfurt teaser I asked Brenda Priddy, who thought it was the MKZ, if it looked longer than the current CD3's since I've seen numerous posts that the Z will be a bit bigger than the Fusion; but she hasn't replied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I agree imho the tail lites look Lincolny (wheels too fwiw) & the hood looks like the Frankfurt teaser I asked Brenda Priddy, who thought it was the MKZ, if it looked longer than the current CD3's since I've seen numerous posts that the Z will be a bit bigger than the Fusion; but she hasn't replied Agree with your thoughts on it being a possible MKZ, remember that Mondeo has 112" wheelbase which is significantly longer than current CD3 Fusion/MKZ so will change the appearance of the car completely and give more of a big car ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Agree with your thoughts on it being a possible MKZ, remember that Mondeo has 112" wheelbase which is significantly longer than current CD3 Fusion/MKZ so will change the appearance of the car completely and give more of a big car ride. I agree that car is not the fusion but the MKz it may be that ford is looking to go all I4 for the fusion and the eliminates the need for as long of a front overhang. this could save weight as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 AUTO EXPRESS Leading the charge will be a concept that reveals the latest family-look for the brand, which we won’t see on the road until 2014. It's dubbed by insiders simply as “Kinetic 2.0” and teased in the official invite. A spokesman for the company said that the concept was “seventy to eighty percent confirmed for production” but by showing it early “there’ll be an opportunity to take customer feedback on board before finalizing the design.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 AUTO EXPRESS Leading the charge will be a concept that reveals the latest family-look for the brand, which we won't see on the road until 2014. It's dubbed by insiders simply as "Kinetic 2.0" and teased in the official invite. A spokesman for the company said that the concept was "seventy to eighty percent confirmed for production" but by showing it early "there'll be an opportunity to take customer feedback on board before finalizing the design." Capri it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) here’s a new model bonanza at Ford, with the Blue Oval planning to launch five fully-fledged new models at the Frankfurt Motor show. On the company’s biggest ever stand at the show – which will include a 2,800m2 track – the focus will be split between an all-new design concept showcasing Ford’s future styling direction, and two hot new performance versions of the brand’s mainstream models. Leading the charge will be a concept that reveals the latest family-look for the brand, which we won’t see on the road until 2014. It's dubbed by insiders simply as “Kinetic 2.0” and teased in the official invite. A spokesman for the company said that the concept was “seventy to eighty percent confirmed for production” but by showing it early “there’ll be an opportunity to take customer feedback on board before finalizing the design.” Heading up the production models will be the Focus ST shown as a concept at the Paris Motor Show last year, which does away with the old five-cylinder turbo engine in favour of an efficient 2.0-litre direct injection unit. Producing around 247bhp, it should be good for 0-62mph in less than six seconds and a 155mph top speed, putting it on a par with its fiercest rival, the RS Megane 250, but unlike before the Focus will not be available as a coupe. Joining it on the stand will be the long-awaited Fiesta ST, set to be unveiled as a surprise alongside its bigger brother, with both models hitting showrooms next year. Featuring a smaller 1.6-litre EcoBoost engine tuned to make around 200bhp. The Fiesta will also borrow the torque-vectoring system from the Focus to aid agility, and will ape its aggressive styling too, with a gaping honeycomb grille and blistered wheel arches. Completing the set will be the production version of the B-MAX, with new details about its ultra-efficient 1.0-litre three-cylinder EcoBoost engine, and the Ford Ranger pick-up, a global car designed and developed by Ford of Australia. The Ranger will be available in five different bodystyles, with the most efficient model coming with a new 148bhp 2.2-litre TDCi engine. Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/271039/ford_to_reveal_five_new_models_at_frankfurt.html#ixzz1Uh0TzSA0 Edited August 11, 2011 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) I was reading a document OEM model forecast for European assembly plants, dated 01/03/2011, Sources: CSM Worldwide Yearly Production Automotive Marketing Germany. And the start of production date for the next CD4 C391 Mondeo is listed for July 2013, and the next C1 MCA C520 Kuga start of production date for October 2012. From other reports I have read both these start up dates are 1 year later then expected. Another interesting detail on this above report is a Ford car named C-Coupe , to be assembled at Saarlouis alongside the new Focus codename is C407 with a start of production date October 2011. Anyone here come across start up dates for these models (Fusion/Escape) for North American plants? I have a relative that is working for a company in Canada who is supplying parts for the new Escape and he was saying start up at Louisville is October 2011. Edited August 11, 2011 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 200hp in a Fiesta...magic number...and needed to be to one up the regular Cooper S, should give the John Cooper Works a real run for its money at approx 7k cheaper I would assume....man, now thers a fun car, perhaps even more than the hotrodded Focus.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Another interesting detail on this above report is a Ford car named C-Coupe , to be assembled at Saarlouis alongside the new Focus codename is C407 with a start of production date October 2011. The C1 Focus had a platform name of C307...so I wouldn't look into it too much Anyone here come across start up dates for these models (Fusion/Escape) for North American plants? I have a relative that is working for a company in Canada who is supplying parts for the new Escape and he was saying start up at Louisville is October 2011. I know its been stated several times that Louisville is going into production 4th Quarter of this year...so I'd expect that the Escape and the Kuga will be shown very soon. As for the Fusion...I don't think anything is etch in stone just yet...KCAP is still a wildcard and nothing has been really reported about any changes in Hermosillo. I think partly this is due to contract talks in a month or two with the UAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) GUYS! This is the production design of the Fusion, not a bastard mule or MKZ...this is the car. But people will convince themselves otherwise I'm sure. But it is missing the grille insert, of which there will be two variations in production. Edited September 5, 2011 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taurusguy Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I hope the side mirrors don't stick out that far on the production version. I'd be afraid of knocking one off every time I pull in or out of my garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Whoa... good job Aussie Ford! JPD, these are definitely the first legit spy shots of it. Remember, just like the new Focus, this is a new design spreaded over similar hardpoints. Hey pcsario.....were ya been? Haven't seen you in a long time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) Some images of the B-Max with almost no camo source http://www.quattroruote.it/auto_novita/immaginebig_articolo.cfm?codiceimg=350943&codedicola=403259&codice=357569&codarticolo=357569&pagina=403259&tornaa=/notizie/auto-novita/ford-b-max-foto-spia-praticamente-senza-veli#gallery Edited September 12, 2011 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Given the surroundings, can that be anything but a posed "spyshot"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) B-Max = Fiesta Station Wagon w/ sliders. Regarding the Frankfurt Press Conference, the Evos Concept is stunning live in motion. "This is not a design you'll see 4 years away, instead 4 MONTHS away." - J. Mays Edited September 13, 2011 by Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) "This is not a design you'll see 4 years away, instead 4 MONTHS away." - J. Mays Or if you read at the "other" Ford site, 10 months away... :shades: Edited September 13, 2011 by PREMiERdrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Or if you read at the "other" Ford site, 10 months away... :shades: yeah, it's open to interpretation. 4 months release in Europe and 10 months until here in NA for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 yeah, it's open to interpretation. 4 months release in Europe and 10 months until here in NA for example. NAIAS is also about 4 months away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) NAIAS is also about 4 months away. a - "What is your favorite season?" b - "Ooh! Ooh! Wedding Autoshow Season!" Edited September 13, 2011 by Hugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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