silvrsvt Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Less boring looking, though the bumper opening looks like they are ripping off Ford's design signature... http://www.thecarconnection.com/photos/toyota_avalon_2013#100387763 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Definitely an improvement. Not liking the headlight bulges though and the interior looks kind of cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Frontend looks like a Sonata Hybrid. Interior looks like a wrecked Sonata Hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxcomet Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Frontend looks like a Sonata Hybrid. Interior looks like a wrecked Sonata Hybrid. Completely agree. The geriatric Toyota faithful will flock to it like ducks to water, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Completely agree. The geriatric Toyota faithful will flock to it like ducks to water, though. I doubt it. Looks like the Avalon continues its trend of not really offering any good enough incentive to upgrade from the Camry. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Lets see how many manufacturers we can rip off... lets take the Oddessy's upper bumper/grille, 6's front fenders, Ford's lower facia, a Kia/Hyundai body, and finish it off by photoshopping in a 1990 Dodge pickup center stack in the interior. Well maybe not the dodge, but come on, that center stack is pasted on and HORRIBLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I agree, that center stack is beyond ugly. As much as they are NOT wanting to pander towards an older demographics, THAT center dashboard IS...big buttons, wide from each other, canted towards the center, huge knobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Looks like the Avalon continues its trend of not really offering any good enough incentive to upgrade from the Camry. :yup: This issue afflicts nearly the entire front drive, large sedan segment (for mass market brands) in the U.S. market today. Just like Avalon vis a vis Camry, there's not much of a rationale to choose Maxima, Azera, Taurus, or Impala over Altima, Sonata, Fusion, or Malibu respectively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 :yup: This issue afflicts nearly the entire front drive, large sedan segment (for mass market brands) in the U.S. market today. Just like Avalon vis a vis Camry, there's not much of a rationale to choose Maxima, Azera, Taurus, or Impala over Altima, Sonata, Fusion, or Malibu respectively. Well, in many of those cases it's simply because the larger product was often the less frequently updated one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTwannabe Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Copying Honda with the gaudy chrome band on the grille: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Less boring looking, though the bumper opening looks like they are ripping off Ford's design signature... I wouldn't worry about that much....Ford will be using a different design signature by then....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Car Examiner Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Copying Honda with the gaudy chrome band on the grille: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) I keep seeing Tucker in this...........not in a good way. Just stick a headlight in the middle where the Toy emblem is! Edited April 20, 2012 by timmm55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 It was very nice of Toyota to do that. What a gawdawful front. Should be an animated cartoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Good lord that is awful, all the way around, inside and out. Think the only two elements that I actually like are the tail lamps and the gauges. The car is just horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewfanGRB Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Jesus that center stack is atrocious. Aside from the screen, of course, it reminds me of the controls on my grandmothers "hi-fi". I mean, I get designing controls for a target demo that prefers larger controls with big fonts, etc...but that's just insulting and hideous. Essentially, it screams, "Don't buy unless you're 80 and shouldn't be driving in the first place". (My point being, is if you can't read or handle controls--even if they are small buttons, I don't want you driving a 4,000 lb machine at me on the highway). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 :yup: This issue afflicts nearly the entire front drive, large sedan segment (for mass market brands) in the U.S. market today. Just like Avalon vis a vis Camry, there's not much of a rationale to choose Maxima, Azera, Taurus, or Impala over Altima, Sonata, Fusion, or Malibu respectively. Not for the Taurus in 2013. While the Taurus will offer a 2.0L I4 like the Fusion, the standard engine is an almost 300hp V6, and a 365hp EB while Fusion is going to all I4's. I believe there are still a decent percentage of drivers out there still not ready for a 4 cylinder engine. They still equate it with their younger years when they drove econoboxes. So the Taurus is an island for those drivers. Looks to me like those drivers demanding a V6 or V8 will have to go to upmarket Ford or Lincoln, or buy used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Yet the 2013 Taurus with a EB20 will have close to the same HP, better Tq and FE then a 1990 Lexus LS. Just a matter of perspective IMHO. Concerning Avalon, I have to give credit. The centre console with the narrow shifter and cupholders. Compared to the Taurus, that is better executed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Jesus that center stack is atrocious. Aside from the screen, of course, it reminds me of the controls on my grandmothers "hi-fi". I mean, I get designing controls for a target demo that prefers larger controls with big fonts, etc...but that's just insulting and hideous. Essentially, it screams, "Don't buy unless you're 80 and shouldn't be driving in the first place". (My point being, is if you can't read or handle controls--even if they are small buttons, I don't want you driving a 4,000 lb machine at me on the highway). I'm sure Toyota will sew a silk purse out of a sow's ear on that. Bigger, better more legible controls. You don't have to look at them, spend your time reading the 'Minority Report' personalized road advertising GM is buying patents for instead of I don't know, eyes on the road. :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 R.L. Polk claims that prospects are not sanguine for the large car segment: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 (edited) I can't believe it. It's a Civic grille on top and a Fiesta grille on the bottom. They're not even TRYING anymore. At long last, Toyota, have you no decency? Edited May 31, 2012 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 http://www.autoguide...video-2030.html As if they couldn't make it any worse, they upgraded from Camry to Avalon. Toyota builds an MKS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Ah, their "Spindle grille" also known as "Why design when you can style?" or "Hmm. Is there a grille shape no one is using? Okay let's do that." (this maneuver was last used by Edsel in '58). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Ah, their "Spindle grille" also known as "Why design when you can style?" or "Hmm. Is there a grille shape no one is using? Okay let's do that." (this maneuver was last used by Edsel in '58). I think you nailed it Richard. My internal dialog was verbally abusing an Infiniti JX I saw the other day for the same ridiculous kinked line on the 'C' pillar. Infiniti is also doing the "spindle" grille - squeezed in at the waist for God knows what reason. They remind me of my old 1961 Plymouth Belvedere - another product of stylistic desperation - by Virgil Exner who, understandably, had suffered a heart attack in 1956 while working on the styling for the 1961 models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 As my dad said of the '62 Valiant: "You don't forget ugly." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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