Ford reported to either kill Lincoln or make Lincoln Stang

[sullynd]

Go ahead and build it, but don't call it a Mustang.

Is the 2 door Wrangler any less a Wrangler because the 4 door exists?

[NickF1011]

But attempting to create something that is both sedan and coupe? Well, your coupe will be the Camaro or the Challenger. And who wants either of those instead of the Mustang?

 

Well, I don't find the Camaro's proportions to be all that bad (other than the weight anyway). Of course, it may be telling how flexible Alpha really is once we see how the current Camaro proportions end up changing once it moves over. Challenger is just too large to be a Mustang.

[NickF1011]

Is the 2 door Wrangler any less a Wrangler because the 4 door exists?

 

The Wrangler had 2 doors before it had 4. And adding additional doors to the Wrangler didn't make it any less of an offroad capable SUV. More doors didn't change the character of the Wrangler at all. Adding doors to the Mustang makes it FAR less of a sport coupe, as in 100% less. It changes the character entirely.

 

Sure, you might increase overall Mustang sales, marginally, but you would likely damage the coupe's image in the process, making the endeavour not particularly worthwhile.

 

This argument has probably been brought up many times in Ford board rooms, and well, there seems to be a reason we haven't seen a 4-door Mustang in its near 50 years of production.

[Gnostic]

Lincoln hater is a little harsh. I think negatard is more appropriate.

 

negatards gonna negatate

[Deanh]

So, your entire statement is a bunch of ridiculous stereotypes?

 

Yeah. Okay. Understand that I'll never assume you say anything that will ever matter on this subject.

 

And I've been in auto sales, auto parts, purchasing, among other facets. I was raised in a car-industry family.

question Zan...where exactly do stereotypes come from...some , if not most are ON THE MONEY.....I invite you to come and peruse South Coast Plazas parking lot and interveiw people, if you can get them off their cell phone....theres a HUGE customer base that wouldnt be seen dead in anything other than a German car...and its NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with if the car is pushed or pulled...NOTHING....like em or not, stereotypes ARE predominantly factually based. Case closed.

Edited January 11, 2013 by Deanh

[ZanatWork]

That being the case, you are aware that SoCal is stereotyped by essentially the rest of the country as being overly stupid, self-obsessed, shallow, and having the ethics of a pit bull on Viagra?

Ooops, that was mean. I generally like pit bulls fine.

In any case, though, those stereotypes would then mean that that region is just plain different, and that what happens there is NOT any kind of benchmark for the rest of the country?

question Zan...where exactly do stereotypes come from...some , if not most are ON THE MONEY.....I invite you to come and peruse South Coast Plazas parking lot and interveiw people, if you can get them off their cell phone....theres a HUGE customer base that wouldnt be seen dead in anything other than a German car...and its NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with if the car is pushed or pulled...NOTHING....like em or not, stereotypes ARE predominantly factually based. Case closed.

[RichardJensen]

stereotypes ARE predominantly factually based. Case closed.

 

Yeah, like the stereotype about Jews and greed. Or the one about black people and intelligence. Or the one about Hispanics and honesty.

[Deanh]

That being the case, you are aware that SoCal is stereotyped by essentially the rest of the country as being overly stupid, self-obsessed, shallow, and having the ethics of a pit bull on Viagra?

 

Ooops, that was mean. I generally like pit bulls fine.

 

In any case, though, those stereotypes would then mean that that region is just plain different, and that what happens there is NOT any kind of benchmark for the rest of the country?

hey, they deserve most of what they get IMO...personally I find the steretypes friggen hilarious, and uncannily accuraet......but REGARDLESS, foe all its good and bad, California is one of, if not THE largest pool of the car buying public....and thus of pri me importance ( warts and all ) to ANY manufacturer....hell, BMW and Mercedes would probably starve without the So Cal market.....

[Deanh]

Yeah, like the stereotype about Jews and greed. Or the one about black people and intelligence. Or the one about Hispanics and honesty.

I'd rather not go down that uncomfortable road, as much as I hate to say it unfortunately stereotypes dont just pop up overnight....now days everyone is scared to death of even adress some of those politically incorrect "labels".....except comedians....lol

[RichardJensen]

I'd rather not go down that uncomfortable road, as much as I hate to say it unfortunately stereotypes dont just pop up overnight....now days everyone is scared to death of even adress some of those politically incorrect "labels".....except comedians....lol

 

 

 

 

You can't use the existence of stereotypes as evidence of their factual basis.

 

 

If stereotypes have any factual basis it is this:

 

Stereotypes are evidence of lazy thinking and most people prefer lazy thinking.

 

That's my one stereotype of the whole damn human race. That we are, by and large, too lazy and too eager to avoid seeing individuals when we can pass judgment quickly and in bulk.

[Deanh]

Yeah, like the stereotype about Jews and greed. Or the one about black people and intelligence. Or the one about Hispanics and honesty.

have to admit, some are ( even to a brash bastard like myself ) somewhat dis-tasteful...then again, the same could be said about certain aspects of absolute factual reality.....crazy world....

[Deanh]

You can't use the existence of stereotypes as evidence of their factual basis.

 

 

If stereotypes have any factual basis it is this:

 

Stereotypes are evidence of lazy thinking and most people prefer lazy thinking.

 

That's my one stereotype of the whole damn human race. That we are, by and large, too lazy and too eager to avoid seeing individuals when we can pass judgment quickly and in bulk.

understand, but agree or dis-agree, they come from somewhere, and unfortunately its NOT isolated incidents....sure the synopsis of a stereotyp is a ( sometimes rash ) generaslization....but if the same parameter that caused the labelling to begin with , happens on a consistant basis, the outline is somewhat set, and after a while, out come the pencils to start coloring in that outline. I dont think it will ever change Richard......almost cartoonish really.

[RichardJensen]

they come from somewhere

 

 

Assume a race of people entirely purple in color. Assume that these people populate a vast swath of an as yet undiscovered continent.

 

Assume that the first exposure we have to these purple people is from a ship of convicts that are being transported instead of being housed in prisons.

 

Somehow, these purple people shipwreck on, oh, let's say, the California coast.

 

Uniformly, these purple people are welcomed, but then, suddenly, stuff starts disappearing. Purple people are holding up gas stations, starting fights in bars, etc.

 

Studies and surveys are performed. It appears that a significant majority of purple people have been convicted of crime. "Purple people are criminals" is the popular stereotype. And those in favor of the stereotype say, "just look at the facts! The jails are full of purple people! When was the last time you met a purple person who hadn't been in jail?"

 

 

 

Some years later, the land of the purple people is discovered, and some purple people emigrate to California. When they get there, they can't find work: "I'm not going to hire a purple person, they're crooks!" They can't rent decent housing: "I'm not renting to a purple person. They have no respect for property." Etc.

 

And what is the stereotype based on? Is it based on some intrinsic characteristic of purple people?

 

Or is it based judging a person based on prior experiences with people wholly unrelated to them?

[Deanh]

Assume a race of people entirely purple in color. Assume that these people populate a vast swath of an as yet undiscovered continent.

 

Assume that the first exposure we have to these purple people is from a ship of convicts that are being transported instead of being housed in prisons.

 

Somehow, these purple people shipwreck on, oh, let's say, the California coast.

 

Uniformly, these purple people are welcomed, but then, suddenly, stuff starts disappearing. Purple people are holding up gas stations, starting fights in bars, etc.

 

Studies and surveys are performed. It appears that a significant majority of purple people have been convicted of crime. "Purple people are criminals" is the popular stereotype. And those in favor of the stereotype say, "just look at the facts! The jails are full of purple people! When was the last time you met a purple person who hadn't been in jail?"

 

 

 

Some years later, the land of the purple people is discovered, and some purple people emigrate to California. When they get there, they can't find work: "I'm not going to hire a purple person, they're crooks!" They can't rent decent housing: "I'm not renting to a purple person. They have no respect for property." Etc.

 

And what is the stereotype based on? Is it based on some intrinsic characteristic of purple people?

 

Or is it based judging a person based on prior experiences with people wholly unrelated to them?

ALL I CAN SAY IS BARNEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN NEUTERED....understand your premise, however, like generalizations, they dont constitute, or apply to all...hell, Im a fair skinned green eyed ginger headed Kiwi....Ive put up with a fair share myself, I dont take em personally most of the time, although being a salesperson at the same time.....EVERYONE has opinions on THOSE people....and I must say, its deserved in some respects...look up the word Stereotype, we are right beside Attorneys....

[ausrutherford]

They are only developing the coupe at this time, no sedan.

[Deanh]

They are only developing the coupe at this time, no sedan.

I saw some sketches the other day, design was based on the big Benz coupe with Lincoln cues...looked absolutely amazing........

[SoonerLS]

That's my one stereotype of the whole damn human race. That we are, by and large, too lazy and too eager to avoid seeing individuals when we can pass judgment quickly and in bulk.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

[ZanatWork]

Lincoln is asking Facebook users what they'd like to see at NAIAS right now. The calls for rwd, MKR, that Continental concept (that never goes away), and a "real Town Car" are all very consistent.

Would ignoring these people be smart marketing? Does knowing that these answers are representative of what they get each time they ask what buyers want make some resources going to rwd make more sense?

[RichardJensen]

Would ignoring these people be smart marketing?

http://economics.wikia.com/wiki/Effective_Demand

[Anthony]

So apparently this article is true at least about there being a Mustang based Lincoln coupe in the works (what I'm getting from the last couple pages)?

Edited January 12, 2013 by Intrepidatious

[jpd80]

Lincoln is asking Facebook users what they'd like to see at NAIAS right now. The calls for rwd, MKR, that Continental concept (that never goes away), and a "real Town Car" are all very consistent.

 

Would ignoring these people be smart marketing? Does knowing that these answers are representative of what they get each time they ask what buyers want make some resources going to rwd make more sense?

Does asking open ended questions on Facebook replace proper market research into what

buyer demographics want and what can be delivered under available product envelopes?

[jpd80]

So apparently this article is true at least about there being a Mustang based Lincoln coupe in the works (what I'm getting from the last couple pages)?

It's true because Ausrutherford says that it is and on the strength of his hints at sources and details, I tend to believe him

but a Lincoln Mustang is a niche product and it's only right that Ford prioritize other more important products ahead of its delivery..

Edited January 12, 2013 by jpd80

[akirby]

Lincoln is asking Facebook users what they'd like to see at NAIAS right now. The calls for rwd, MKR, that Continental concept (that never goes away), and a "real Town Car" are all very consistent.

 

Would ignoring these people be smart marketing? Does knowing that these answers are representative of what they get each time they ask what buyers want make some resources going to rwd make more sense?

 

Compare the number of people who say they want manuals with the number that actually buy them.

[RichardJensen]

So apparently this article is true at least about there being a Mustang based Lincoln coupe in the works (what I'm getting from the last couple pages)?

 

 

I'm filing it in the "Concept C" bin, as in I'll believe it when I see the prototypes on the road.

[Edstock]

I'd like to see SVT or Roush develop an MKZ with the 3.5 SHO powertrain.

 

Not going to happen, but IMHO, a low-cost effort in brand reinforcement, unlike a RWD coupe that would be compared to things like the BMW 6 coupe and various M-B coupes, Audi, Lexus as well.