jpd80 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, theoldwizard said: Disagree. They could easily outsource the doors or build them at one of the plants already stamping aluminum. Forget any kind of FRP. Actually, for the small weight savings, why would the do it at all ? So they can finally stop building steel doors and move production to a SD aluminium door? Edited February 18, 2020 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, theoldwizard said: Disagree. They could easily outsource the doors or build them at one of the plants already stamping aluminum. Forget any kind of FRP. Actually, for the small weight savings, why would the do it at all ? OK so; You disagree that it will have composite doors? Or, you believe new composite doors if true, are not indicative of a completely new cab? As for a weight saving, agree, I doubt that given nature of class 6 and 7 sales, weight savings of that magnitude-or should I say insignificance, would justify the expenditure. What continues to surprise me is they still would be building two SD cabs- aluminum for SD up to 550 (600?), and steel cab for 650/750. Like I said, Work Truck Show may have some surprises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, jpd80 said: So they can finally stop building steel doors and move production to a SD aluminium door? JP- But isn't the cab structure different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just noticed Ice Capades has posted 2020 350-550 chassis order guides. What is interesting to me is it makes no reference to 600. IMO the 600 is a 550 with heavier spring and rubber options. Plus more commonality to 550 than 650/750 which in my view would have lent itself to being included in 350-550 guides. ?????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 That is strange, why wouldn't the 600 be included with the 450-550 order guide? Only thing I can think of is Ford wants to differentiate the 600 from the 550 from a marketing standpoint, which really makes no sense. Work Truck Show always has a few surprises, but with the crisis currently at Ford I am not expecting much from them outside of previously announced upcoming vehicles, like the 7.3L in the medium duty F series. The composite door thing is something I heard, I figure if they were going to use composite doors on the old Super Duty cab on the 650/750 it would be a cost savings move. Medium duty doors don't need side impact protection, composite is lighter and cheaper, and who knows, maybe the steel Super Duty door stamping dies are worn out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Hey Bob, you always ask this. I saw a new F750 with the words Metal Men on the sides. The only thing I can find on the internet is some kind of super heroes! But anyway, it had a Powerstroke! And Bob, I don't think the Eversource Ram was a bucket truck. But still, as far as small support utility vehicles go, I still had never seen a Dodge/Ram Eversource vehicle. Edited February 18, 2020 by Joe771476 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: That is strange, why wouldn't the 600 be included with the 450-550 order guide? Only thing I can think of is Ford wants to differentiate the 600 from the 550 from a marketing standpoint, which really makes no sense. The F-600 wasn't on Ford's Web site the last time I looked (just now), so my guess is that it's not in the order guide because it's not ready for production yet. It's weird that it's not on the Web site, given that they have the '21 E-350/450 stripped chassis up there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: The composite door thing is something I heard, I figure if they were going to use composite doors on the old Super Duty cab on the 650/750 it would be a cost savings move. Medium duty doors don't need side impact protection, composite is lighter and cheaper, and who knows, maybe the steel Super Duty door stamping dies are worn out? That rumor doesn't make sense, IMHO. If they're ditching steel doors, why not jump directly to aluminum? It's not like they are lacking experience in using a mixture of aluminum and steel body parts. Why go to something completely unique? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, SoonerLS said: That rumor doesn't make sense, IMHO. If they're ditching steel doors, why not jump directly to aluminum? It's not like they are lacking experience in using a mixture of aluminum and steel body parts. Why go to something completely unique? That's why I am asking. However, for the record, the HN80 Louisville used a steel cab with composite doors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve557 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: That is strange, why wouldn't the 600 be included with the 450-550 order guide? Only thing I can think of is Ford wants to differentiate the 600 from the 550 from a marketing standpoint, which really makes no sense. Work Truck Show always has a few surprises, but with the crisis currently at Ford I am not expecting much from them outside of previously announced upcoming vehicles, like the 7.3L in the medium duty F series. The composite door thing is something I heard, I figure if they were going to use composite doors on the old Super Duty cab on the 650/750 it would be a cost savings move. Medium duty doors don't need side impact protection, composite is lighter and cheaper, and who knows, maybe the steel Super Duty door stamping dies are worn out? Wonder what set of Econoline door stamp they are on since 91 when the current door started? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 5:08 AM, Bob Rosadini said: JP- But isn't the cab structure different? It will be interesting to see what exactly happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyD Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Saw some new International Cab N Chassis models while driving by the dealer. From a quick glance they look to be in between the F-600 and F-650. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, SteelyD said: Saw some new International Cab N Chassis models while driving by the dealer. From a quick glance they look to be in between the F-600 and F-650. M guess is you were looking at International's version of the class 4,5,6 they are building for Chevy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, SteelyD said: Saw some new International Cab N Chassis models while driving by the dealer. From a quick glance they look to be in between the F-600 and F-650. Did it look like this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pictor Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 That’s a face only a mother could love, good thing for them commercial truck buyers are not that partial to looks, bottom line is the driver for that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 This just in- there is a delivery hold on new 7.3L powered F and E series vehicles, problem is the piston oil cooler bracket may have been damaged during assembly resulting in a loss of oil pressure. Looks like the fix is replacement of the engine in affected vehicles. Might not be many engines with the problem, only certain VIN's, but it looks like a few F-650's and E series are included. Production must have started on those models. What is interesting is that I have been hearing that some people with 7.3L trucks on order are experiencing delivery delays, wonder if this is the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyD Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, twintornados said: Did it look like this?? Yes that is what I saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, SteelyD said: Yes that is what I saw. GM built cab, Navistar chassis and nose. Here is the Chevrolet version... Edited February 25, 2020 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 The Chevy version is a better execution aesthetically 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, tbone said: The Chevy version is a better execution aesthetically Yep, and the best looking Chevy truck available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 5 hours ago, twintornados said: GM built cab, Navistar chassis and nose. Here is the Chevrolet version... Engine and electrical all GM too. Supposedly, the next generation International MV will be a similar joint venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, tbone said: The Chevy version is a better execution aesthetically Looks are subjective, I find that the Navistar looks better.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyD Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 16 hours ago, twintornados said: GM built cab, Navistar chassis and nose. Here is the Chevrolet version... So this is a direct competitor to the F-600 or F-650. C-60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGolden Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 11 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: Supposedly, the next generation International MV will be a similar joint venture. I hope they don't screw it up. We have a 2019 MV and i really enjoy driving it, and plan on buy another in a year or 2. Its has an L9 Cummins with 3500 series allison. I am not sure what GM can bring to the table of that truck, beside a gas engine. While I am on International, we have a HX520 Daycab tractor that has turned out to be a really nice truck. -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, MGolden said: I hope they don't screw it up. We have a 2019 MV and i really enjoy driving it, and plan on buy another in a year or 2. Its has an L9 Cummins with 3500 series allison. I am not sure what GM can bring to the table of that truck, beside a gas engine. While I am on International, we have a HX520 Daycab tractor that has turned out to be a really nice truck. -Matt I'm not sure what a International would gain by doing a JV with GM for an MV replacement. They went down that road once with Ford and the Bluediamond venture but if I had to guess, I would say that benefitted International as they were getting plant utilization at Escobedo and development cost was minimal-the Fords were 4400 chassis with a Ford cab stuck on them.. Recognizing that the popular thinking today is that development costs are so high that everyone needs a partner to survive, considering the VW merger could happen, do you think VW would want GM becoming a serious player in class 6 and 7? Also, class 6 and 7 just keeps getting more competitive. Mack is now in the game. Hino gets stronger and stronger. And if Ford-currently the class 6 leader-doesn't pull the plug on 6 and 7 but rather invests in 6 and 7, the market will be crowded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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