Biker16 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Your desire to use the Transit cab everywhere is little different from your desire to use the drive shaft & half shafts from the exotic RS in everyday vehicles. It also seems to run quite counter to your belief that Ford should have more niche vehicles. With ATPs likely in the mid $30s and monthly volumes in the 7k neighborhood, you should be all about the MD "niche vehicle", but instead you want it be a compromised bastardized mix of SD engines and Transit sheetmetal. As always I have learned to take your "expertise" with grain of salt. Thank you for your time. Edited March 19, 2015 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 As always I have learned to take your "expertise" with grain of salt. Thank you for your time. Speaking of expertise, why don't you tell me all about how Ford will be using the driveshafts from the RS in other small AWD vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 e series cutaways are primarily for "walk through" options, ie Motorhomes, Ambulances and Cube vans....the F series chassis work predominantly for aftermarket bodies, Knapaheide was itemized, but stake beds, Service bodies, dump trucks etc...which don't work as well on the Van chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Speaking of expertise, why don't you tell me all about how Ford will be using the driveshafts from the RS in other small AWD vehicles. As soon as you show me where the center Clutch pack is located on FWD/AWD Ford's and why it isn't located where you thought it was. or how a FWD/RWD/AWD architecture makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 :lurk:who needs Mayweather- Pachiao?.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 As soon as you show me where the center Clutch pack is located on FWD/AWD Ford's and why it isn't located where you thought it was. or how a FWD/RWD/AWD architecture makes sense. Maybe we can talk about Toyota profits without discussing currency manipulation or the Camry. And then we can talk about how good Lexus has done with their RWD products, without comparing this year's sales with those from 15 years back. Then we can talk about how transfer pricing works, and maybe after that you can explain to me how Ford Europe can be fixed with profits from North America, while simultaneously explaining about all the mistakes that Ford is making in North America, and how they should be doing things more like they're doing them in Europe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 e series cutaways are primarily for "walk through" options, ie Motorhomes, Ambulances and Cube vans....the F series chassis work predominantly for aftermarket bodies, Knapaheide was itemized, but stake beds, Service bodies, dump trucks etc...which don't work as well on the Van chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Anyone needing that will get a 450/550. Drivers on the wrong side. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 GVWR Biker, GVWR.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Anyone needing that will get a 450/550. Drivers on the wrong side. WOW. GVWR Biker, GVWR.................. Of course for the Transit to make the leap to replace the E-450 you will need to invest in a new model. A "Transit Super Duty", Could replace the integrated Ladder frame in the Transit with a more robust body on frame combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Could replace the integrated Ladder frame in the Transit with a more robust body on frame combination. THIS coming from someone who mocked the use of a longitudinal engine to provide a FWD/RWD setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 THIS coming from someone who mocked the use of a longitudinal engine to provide a FWD/RWD setup? peep the Signature richard. I I I V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Biker, why spend development $ on developing a chassis to be sold alongside an already developed and fully capable one in the F-450/ 550...that's just wasted resources..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 peep the Signature richard. I I I V Yep. Remember when I said that the Transit couldn't fully replace the E-Series range? Well, has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94bronco Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The Transit has to be the ugliest pile of European trash to ever grace your local Ford dealership, thank god you can still buy a SRW E-Series cutaway and put a walk through utility body on the back. Just wait until a few years when everyone who bought a Transit realizes they won't hold up like the E-Series do over the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The Transit has to be the ugliest pile of European trash to ever grace your local Ford dealership, thank god you can still buy a SRW E-Series cutaway and put a walk through utility body on the back. Just wait until a few years when everyone who bought a Transit realizes they won't hold up like the E-Series do over the long run. So because you don't like the way it looks, it won't hold up over time? Huh? You know Ford engineers worked on both ya? The transit was durability tested just like an E series would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Just wait until a few years when everyone who bought a Transit realizes they won't hold up like the E-Series do over the long run. Ford knows its van buyers better than any other competitor on the US market, the switch to Transit was done for very good reasons to give those T150-T350 buyers what they want, fuel efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F250 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Ford knows its van buyers better than any other competitor on the US market, the switch to Transit was done for very good reasons to give those T150-T350 buyers what they want, fuel efficiency. The reason was Ford at the time was on the financial ropes and Mulally thought what works in Europe would work in America under the "One Ford" plan. That works in airplanes but not so good in cars, see the Merkur failure. Ford sells more trucks in America than anywhere else on the planet so his idea was to NOT design trucks in America for the American market...brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) The reason was Ford at the time was on the financial ropes and Mulally thought what works in Europe would work in America under the "One Ford" plan. That works in airplanes but not so good in cars, see the Merkur failure. Ford sells more trucks in America than anywhere else on the planet so his idea was to NOT design trucks in America for the American market...brilliant. That statement is full of holes, all these new trucks designed in Nth America were begun under Mulally: - Alll new Alloy body F150 now. - All new Alloy body Super Duty next year - New medium Duty F650 and F750 coming to Avon Lake - New larger RWD Transit designed for North America is not the same as versions used elsewhere Edited March 21, 2015 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The reason was Ford at the time was on the financial ropes and Mulally thought what works in Europe would work in America under the "One Ford" plan. That works in airplanes but not so good in cars, see the Merkur failure. Ford sells more trucks in America than anywhere else on the planet so his idea was to NOT design trucks in America for the American market...brilliant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Just wait until a few years when everyone who bought a Transit realizes they won't hold up like the E-Series do over the long run. What year is your Panther? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F250 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The reason was Ford at the time was on the financial ropes and Mulally thought what works in Europe would work in America under the "One Ford" plan. That works in airplanes but not so good in cars, see the Merkur failure. Ford sells more trucks in America than anywhere else on the planet so his idea was to NOT design trucks in America for the American market...brilliant. Go back to your Saturday morning cartoons child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F250 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 That statement is full of holes, all these new trucks designed in Nth America were begun under Mulally: - Alll new Alloy body F150 now. - All new Alloy body Super Duty next year - New medium Duty F650 and F750 coming to Avon Lake - New larger RWD Transit designed for North America is not the same as versions used elsewhere The E-Series can handle any job from standard 1/2 ton van all the way to a 22,000 lb GCWR 176" wheelbase DRW cutaway, can the Transit? No, not even close. Yes, it was time for an all new E-Series no doubt. A new platform designed for this market to do everything the E-Series has successfully done for decades would have been preferable. Now Ford has to build two entirely different platforms for the job. That's almost government style efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 ..... Now Ford has to build two entirely different platforms for the job. That's almost government style efficiency. Do you think an E150 and an E550 share anything more than a cab? The chassis under each is as different as night and day. I still believe that Ford will make a "Transit-style" cab (Transit green house on a modified floor pan) to fit on an updated E450-E550 chassis and will likely ditch the twin-I-beam front suspension on those chassis still using it.... Just the other day on the NYS Thruway near Syracuse, I saw what looked like 20 E-Series chassis cabs heading east ( was going west), presumably to a motorhome upfitter as there are several out near Albany that make them...They were being towed "piggy back" style five or six to a tow vehicle. They ain't dead yet.....lol. Didn't have time to do an exact count or get the cam out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) The E-Series can handle any job from standard 1/2 ton van all the way to a 22,000 lb GCWR 176" wheelbase DRW cutaway, can the Transit? No, not even close. Nobody expected Transit to cover everything, In 150 to 350 vans, Transit flat out kills E Series dead for versatility and fuel efficiency. Yes, it was time for an all new E-Series no doubt. A new platform designed for this market to do everything the E-Series has successfully done for decades would have been preferable. Now Ford has to build two entirely different platforms for the job. That's almost government style efficiency. E series was actually two platforms but it's clear you didn't know that... It's also why Ford kept the E450 Cutaways going for now.. Edited March 21, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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