T-bird Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-16/steelmaker-defending-automobile-market-from-encroaching-aluminum All you insider smarties I'm just curious as to whether Ford is working with steel manufacturers also to lighten where steel is still required versus aluminum. Example ; frame... Like is the steel itself lighter or the dimensional engineering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Materials are evolving rapidly today. Earlier this year I saw where an aluminum casting was replaced with an iron casting for weight savings. Yes, a cast iron part was stronger and lighter than a comparable aluminum part. This was in the heavy equipment market, but if it can be done in that market, there could be advanced cast iron chassis components that cut weight in the automotive future. Any automaker that does not keep up with the latest material developments will be behind the curve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The problem with cast iron is not that is stronger, its that it breaks rather than bends when stressed. It would never meet crash test standards. You can get away with it in a heavy truck because you can make whatever part it is thick enough so it wont break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 what happened to the so called nano-steel the industry was touting a while ago.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The only thing I worry about is the paint corrosion issue that Ford has had such an issue with on other aluminum body panels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The only thing I worry about is the paint corrosion issue that Ford has had such an issue with on other aluminum body panels. Yeah, it's been such a problem on the 5 million F150 hoods that have been produced since '03. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Yeah, it's been such a problem on the 5 million F150 hoods that have been produced since '03. Judge Allows Suit Over Aluminum Corrosion in Fords to Move Forward http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/judge-allows-suit-over-aluminum-corrosion-in-fords-to-move-forward/?_r=0 Yes it has been a problem. A very common problem. I've had to have the hood on my Mustang repainted because of it. Edited June 18, 2015 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 A common problem on the 2005-2009 Mustangs? Or a common problem on the 5 million F-150's produced since 2003? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) A common problem on the 2005-2009 Mustangs? Or a common problem on the 5 million F-150's produced since 2003? it's a common problem on just about anything Ford has made with an aluminum hood. My Mustang is a 2014 and within a year it had corrosion issues. There are many post 2009 Mustangs that are still developing hood corrosion. The same is true for the F150. Taurus owners have experienced hood corrosion. Explorer owners have experienced hood corrosion issues. It's a common problem with pretty much any Ford aluminum hood. Now they have an entirely aluminum vehicle. http://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Explorer/2013/body_paint/rust_bubbles_on_hood.shtml http://www.fordtaurus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14805 http://www.f150online.com/forums/other-body/370914-rust-aluminum-hood.html http://ford.pissedconsumer.com/corrosion-front-edge-of-hood-ford-not-honoring-warranty-20130329396725.html Edited June 18, 2015 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I own a 2013 F150 and have not noticed any issues with the aluminum hood. I also owned a 2005 Lincoln LS for 8 years and did not notice any issue with the hood. Am I in the minority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I own a 2013 F150 and have not noticed any issues with the aluminum hood. I also owned a 2005 Lincoln LS for 8 years and did not notice any issue with the hood. Am I in the minority? I don't know. It depends on a number of things. Most often the hood corrosion begins as a small blistering area on the underside of the hood at the seam. If you don't know to look for it you may well have overlooked it and never known it was there. Or you may have been lucky enough to have vehicles that were unaffected. Regardless, the hood corrosion issue is fairly common and well documented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Didn't have a corrosion issue on my '05. I follow several F150 forums and I have not seen any corrosion issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I know what to look for as I wipe the underside of the hood after every wash. In fact, prior to the LS, my wife had an 02 Alero which was developing corrosion bubbles on the inner door seams. Guess what, I kindly asked the GM dealer to perform a repair/repaint. I have yet to see an aluminum panel on an F150, LS or Mustang corrode. My immediate family currently owns 5 2004-2014 F150's and 2 2005-2007 Mustangs. We must be in the minority since this a common problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I've noticed that ford has moved to a new coating on the under side of the hood on newer vehicles. It's almost like a thing layer of spray in bed liner. I wonder if this is to help fight corrosion Can't remember which vehicles but I believe the 2015 F150 and 2016 Explorer have this coating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 We must be in the minority since this a common problem. I guess you must be. \ That one is mine before they fixed it. I could go on but I think you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Only corrosion issues I've seen in multiples are expedition liftgates. I don't recall seeing any other corrosion issues that you are posting pictures of around here. Is it a ruat belt issue? Around here we don't have the common rust areas like old escape wheel wells or Taurus quarter panels like up north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 So we have a few pics of it happening. I can find the same pics of rust on body panels. Doesn't make it a common problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Wasn't there a thread here somewhere about this happening on auto show cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 So we have a few pics of it happening. I can find the same pics of rust on body panels. Doesn't make it a common problem. LOL Only common enough that there is a class action law suit over the matter. Look you guys and spin it whatever way makes you feel better. At the end of the day the reality is that Ford has a problem with alumimum hood corrosion and nothing you say is going to change reality. And no Fordtech it is not a rust belt issue as my car developed the problem and I don't live anywhere near the rust belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) LOL Only common enough that there is a class action law suit over the matter. Look you guys and spin it whatever way makes you feel better. At the end of the day the reality is that Ford has a problem with alumimum hood corrosion and nothing you say is going to change reality. And no Fordtech it is not a rust belt issue as my car developed the problem and I don't live anywhere near the rust belt. A tiny percentage of 5 million vehicles is still a very significant number of vehicles and there's no denying that people have issues with corrosion. I think that this is a case of inconsistent quality, over so many builds you only have to get one, two or three bad examples in a thousand for those numbers to seriously mount up. Getting right all the time even with steel components is probably not possible either but addressing issues in a timely manner should always be upper most in customer service. Edited June 19, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I guess you must be. So you believe that over half of all F150s have this issue? That Ford has over 2-1/2 million vehicles affected by this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I just go by what I have seen and since working at a ford dealer since 96 I have not seen this issue enough to call it a epidemic. I'm sure there plenty of hoods with paint defects, but around here and the hundreds of f150s we see a year, it hasn't been a issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-S Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 And what is the remedy when you have this blistering? Does Ford authorize a repaint as a repair or do they install a new hood, panel, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan1 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Didn't have a corrosion issue on my '05. I follow several F150 forums and I have not seen any corrosion issues. The issue is all over f150online and f150forum. My 05 has it although I have covered it up with a bug deflector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 The issue is all over f150online and f150forum. Guess I missed it over there. I've seen more stuck spark plug threads than corrosion issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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