silvrsvt Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Nice F-150 rip-off guys http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/auto-leadership/2016/03/24/nissan-reveals-full-size-titan-pickup-new-york/82199522/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 That's much too ugly to be an F150 ripoff. I saw one of the XDs at a dealership and they are more hideous in person than in pics. Yuck! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Looks more like a RAM to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Looks more like a RAM to me. Looks like they took an F150 and a Ram and smushed them together. And then whacked it with an ugly stick. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 How did they run the focus group? Did they leave a bunch of other truck parts lying in a pile and told them to build what they wanted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Looks fine, consistent with other trucks. The rest depends on ability and engineering and somehow I doubt Nissan has put the resources into their truck that Ford has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Looks fine, consistent with other trucks. The rest depends on ability and engineering and somehow I doubt Nissan has put the resources into their truck that Ford has. To go a step further, I don't think Nissan has the resources to put into their truck that Ford has. If nothing else, Ford has been building top notch trucks for longer than Nissan has even been a company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) Most people who buy trucks don't actually use the truck so perhaps it doesn't matter to all customers that Ford has engineered their truck to meet a wider variety of conditions and uses. It's one of the reasons the SUV has become the crossover. The F-150 is often criticized for it's harsh and unsettled truck ride and handling which isn't ideal for those non-truck users who would ultimately prefer a posher luxury truck for on-road commuting. That is one avenue to taking marketshare away from the Ford, it's one of the reasons RAM trucks are standing out and I think it was a smart strategy. Ford clearly shouldn't change their strategy, but it can't be all things to all people and there is clearly room for others to play. That's one of the advantages to not having an entrenched customer with specific needs to fulfill. Edited March 24, 2016 by BORG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 That is one avenue to taking marketshare away from the Ford, it's one of the reasons RAM trucks are standing out Ford's not losing market share to Dodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Huh... what? I thought this already came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Huh... what? I thought this already came out. The HD/ diesel one did. This is the gas model which has a lighter frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Huh... what? I thought this already came out. That was the XD. You know, the one that weighs as much or more than an F250 with the capability of the F150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Wonder when they are going to go into full "rip off" mode and offer a direct injected twin turbo V6... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Wonder when they are going to go into full "rip off" mode and offer a direct injected twin turbo V6... GM will have to do that first. Along with pop can panels. They'll claim they've always been into turbo's ever since Saab. Make it look like they invented the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Ford's not losing market share to Dodge. Which OEMs are responsible for picking up (pun intended) customers that defected from Ford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) Most people who buy trucks don't actually use the truck so perhaps it doesn't matter to all customers that Ford has engineered their truck to meet a wider variety of conditions and uses. It's one of the reasons the SUV has become the crossover. The F-150 is often criticized for it's harsh and unsettled truck ride and handling which isn't ideal for those non-truck users who would ultimately prefer a posher luxury truck for on-road commuting. That is one avenue to taking marketshare away from the Ford, it's one of the reasons RAM trucks are standing out and I think it was a smart strategy. Ford clearly shouldn't change their strategy, but it can't be all things to all people and there is clearly room for others to play. That's one of the advantages to not having an entrenched customer with specific needs to fulfill. Excellent post BORG! This is the era of the "lifestyle" pickup truck, evidenced by strong growth of high-end variants such as F-Series King Ranch & Platinum, Sierra Denali, Silverado High Country, Ram Laramie Limited, Tundra 1794 Edition, and TITAN XD Platinum Reserve. There's room for even more growth in this market, as yuppie whippersnappers apparently love luxury oriented trucks. I'm sure Nissan will get its share with TITAN and TITAN XD. Edited March 24, 2016 by aneekr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Which OEMs are responsible for picking up (pun intended) customers that defected from Ford? The same manufacturers that are losing customers to Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) Most people who buy trucks don't actually use the truck so perhaps it doesn't matter to all customers that Ford has engineered their truck to meet a wider variety of conditions and uses. It's one of the reasons the SUV has become the crossover. The F-150 is often criticized for it's harsh and unsettled truck ride and handling which isn't ideal for those non-truck users who would ultimately prefer a posher luxury truck for on-road commuting. That is one avenue to taking marketshare away from the Ford, it's one of the reasons RAM trucks are standing out and I think it was a smart strategy. Ford clearly shouldn't change their strategy, but it can't be all things to all people and there is clearly room for others to play. That's one of the advantages to not having an entrenched customer with specific needs to fulfill. It may also point to the reason why Ford should be considering a softer ride in the next Expedition, I think that's the area where Ford really needs to lift its game now that crew cabs are the bulk of F150 sales. The Expedition could then offer a more car like experience to those buyers wanting a softer more plush ride.. Edited March 24, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 It may also point to the reason why Ford should be considering a softer ride in the next Expedition, I think that's the area where Ford really needs to lift its game now that crew cabs are the bulk of F150 sales. The Expedition could then offer a more car like experience to those buyers wanting a softer more plush ride.. As long as they can do it without compromising towing capacity. I see a lot of Expys pulling campers and large boats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) As long as they can do it without compromising towing capacity. I see a lot of Expys pulling campers and large boats. The current Expedition has a pretty nice ride.... The new Expedition/Navigator can't come quick enough and IMO, probably just as important as Super Duty given the sales potential of those new versions. Edited March 24, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 This is an alternative to the 8000 people a month that have to have a non-American brand truck like the Tundra. They simply don't shop, they just know what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 They simply don't shop, they just know what they want. Or what they don't want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) This is an alternative to the 8000 people a month that have to have a non-American brand truck like the Tundra. They simply don't shop, they just know what they want. Or what they don't want. As long as those customers continue to be satisfied with Nissan's and Toyota's offerings in the segment, those two OEMs should likewise be satisfied with the revenue from TITAN and Tundra sales. Incidentally, both TITAN and Tundra seem to have a very loyal following in the Southern U.S., more so than in the Midwest. In my visits to Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Louisiana, Texas, and Oklahoma, I was amazed at the popularity of those two truck models there. Edited March 25, 2016 by aneekr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 As long as those customers continue to be satisfied with Nissan's and Toyota's offerings in the segment, those two OEMs should likewise be satisfied with the revenue from TITAN and Tundra sales. Incidentally, both TITAN and Tundra seem to have a very loyal following in the Southern U.S., more so than in the Midwest. In my visits to Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Louisiana, Texas, and Oklahoma, I was amazed at the popularity of those two truck models there. Nissan trucks (both Titan and Frontier) are popular in Virginia. I saw a bunch of them when I was there on my honeymoon last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 You have to lump Tundra in with Titan to make those statements even close. And even then that's stretching thing. When annual sales of the Titan are a third of one month of F-Series sales loyalty doesn't mean much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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