akirby Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I still think the interior is WAY too retro dopey and over designed, it certainly won't age well It's worked since 1964. How much longer does it need to last to "age well"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The boxy and bulbous front-end, from the beginning the designers wanted to lower the fascia but couldn't because of pedestrian crash regulations in Europe. The Mustang has always struggled to look lean and modern and this is definitely a signifiant jump forward. Although I like the louvered taillights, the hard vertical design didn't do the back any favors. The new sculpted c-shapes flow much better with the carved out back end. I still think the interior is WAY too retro dopey and over designed, it certainly won't age well, but it has its charms. The new instrument panel makes a huge difference. I don't think I'd take design advice from a Youtube unboxer.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351cid Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 While I like the new car; I like the exterior design of my 2013 GT better...of course; I'm an old guy. Funny thing is that it's us old guys that can afford to buy & insure a Mustang GT :D I am curious though about the improved 5.0L. I also wonder what will have to be done to retrofit into an older chassis...say a 2013? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) While I like the new car; I like the exterior design of my 2013 GT better...of course; I'm an old guy. Funny thing is that it's us old guys that can afford to buy & insure a Mustang GT :D I am curious though about the improved 5.0L. I also wonder what will have to be done to retrofit into an older chassis...say a 2013? Cost wise I have no clue but I can't imagine it would be that hard of a project since the block (and iirc the engine mounts) are pretty much the same, it might just be a matter of wiring it all up and fitting the additional plumbing for the added injectors. And now that I think of it, even if the engine mounts aren't the same as long as the points all line up I can't imagine it would be that big of a problem for someone who knows what they're doing to fabricate new ones. The mounts on the 2015+ are solid hunks of metal anyway, I just don't know what the alloy is. Edited January 18, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What are you going to do about the software that controls all of those new parts and making the 2018 engine parts work with the 2013 body/other parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren FIrman Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The 1964 1/2 had a v8 engine that was a 289. wasn't the V8 in the 1964.5 a 260 cid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351cid Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What are you going to do about the software that controls all of those new parts and making the 2018 engine parts work with the 2013 body/other parts? Just wondering out loud for now...don't bring reality into this I am very happy with my current 5.0L. My dyno sheet shows I'm putting 430.12 hp and 412.01 tq on the rear wheels. That's 495 hp & 475 tq at the flywheel (assuming 15% loss in driveline). This is my daily driver, so it's as much or more than I need currently. Who knows what the future will hold. As of now, my 'Stang will give my 393 Cleveland all it can stand in the seatofthepantsdyno. My buddy says he thinks the 'Stang would win in 1/4 mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What are you going to do about the software that controls all of those new parts and making the 2018 engine parts work with the 2013 body/other parts? something tells me someone who is a lot smarter than I am will end up figuring that out, if nothing else because why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 wasn't the V8 in the 1964.5 a 260 cid? Both 260 and 289 were offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 something tells me someone who is a lot smarter than I am will end up figuring that out, if nothing else because why not. Unfortunately it's not that easy nowadays where everything is interconnected like a computer network. If you can get a new pcm calibration that works with the new engine it may not be able to communicate with the BCM, SJB, etc. And I doubt anybody is going to hack all that firmware. These days it's actually easier and cheaper just to swap vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Unfortunately it's not that easy nowadays where everything is interconnected like a computer network. If you can get a new pcm calibration that works with the new engine it may not be able to communicate with the BCM, SJB, etc. And I doubt anybody is going to hack all that firmware. These days it's actually easier and cheaper just to swap vehicles. Ford usually comes out with a kit for this. Plenty of Coyote swaps going on in earlier Mustangs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 wasn't the V8 in the 1964.5 a 260 cid? The 64.5 came with a 101 hp 170-1V, a 164 hp 260-2V, a low-compression 210 hp 289-4V and the hi-po 271 hp 289-4V. The 65 came with upgrades. 120 hp 200-1V, a 200 hp 289-2V, a high compression 225 hp 289-4V and the hi-po 271 hp 289-4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 On a different note, would anyone know how FRAP will balance out the RHD Export Mustang builds, we're being told that Ford will go back to exclusively building LHD models until North American demand is covered. We're worried because of Ford extra slow delivery rate (9-12 month) so does anyone know scheduling for last builds and whether Ford will finish with a flurry of RHD cars before it pauses production for those markets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I've read that the six-speed manual is not carry over and has been upgraded as well. Is this transmission still made in China? There were a number of quality issues with the last manual that was sourced from China, so it would be nice to avoid that this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 My guess is they're using the Tremec from the GT350 since they've upgraded the engine output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I've read that the six-speed manual is not carry over and has been upgraded as well. Is this transmission still made in China? There were a number of quality issues with the last manual that was sourced from China, so it would be nice to avoid that this time. My guess is they're using the Tremec from the GT350 since they've upgraded the engine output. The only thing I saw about the transmission was the clutch was going to be updated...not a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I had read a twin disc clutch and a dual-mass flywheel for added strength and better pedal feel. As well as new gearing with a shorter first gear and two overdrives for improved acceleration and better fuel economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I had read a twin disc clutch and a dual-mass flywheel for added strength and better pedal feel. As well as new gearing with a shorter first gear and two overdrives for improved acceleration and better fuel economy. That would require widening the 2-4 ratios and would be a different tranny than the Tremec in the GT350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Or as my Dad likes to say, "fear and good sense." One of my older cousins also had a saying about that. "You young guys are all the same. You break your heart to give your ass a ride". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Convertible pics http://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-mustang-convertible-is-quite-beautiful-1791421045 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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akirby Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Excuse me while I change my underwear......... :wub: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I think the convertible looks fantastic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I want to see what it looks like with the top up, the current one has a weird look to me and I want to see if they did anything with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I want to see what it looks like with the top up, the current one has a weird look to me and I want to see if they did anything with it. From what I read, the top mechanism is the same - not sure if that's what you were referring to as potentially changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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