RadicalX Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RadicalX Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 more faithful rendering of the busted and most recent spy photos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 . You missed my point. Oh, I got your point, but you biffed it by using a car with a tell... ...in both pics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Nope, I was saying the first gen did. And, let's not pretend the 3rd gen Expy (2007-2017) wasn't just a lightly modified F-150 ('04-08) dash too. (snip) I won't pretend that the Expe and F150 dash you mention were far from the same thing. Very little swapped over. I worked in one of Fords old interior parts plants for many years, I know Ford IP's very well. Did it share some of the design DNA? Sure. Far from a carbon copy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I think they’re as close to a carbon copy as you can get without actually being a carbon copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) Sharing F150 dash with Expedition isn't a deal breaker, Ford playing up the F150 station wagon angle? Edited February 24, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I won't pretend that the Expe and F150 dash you mention were far from the same thing. Very little swapped over. I worked in one of Fords old interior parts plants for many years, I know Ford IP's very well. Did it share some of the design DNA? Sure. Far from a carbon copy though. This is what I expect for the Ranger and Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) The Ranger might be a bit of a "mail in" but something tells me that the 12 month delay on Bronco could mean something very special is coming and that all will be forgiven when we see the end product.... Edited February 24, 2018 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Oh, I got your point, but you biffed it by using a car with a tell... ...in both pics... . Uh....no, you didn't...point is, your average Focus buyer will not care where it is built and whether it is built in Romania, Spain, Germany or China will not be a concern for them because it is the same car with the same build quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) This is what I expect for the Ranger and Bronco.If Bronco gets the Ranger dash Ill be disappointed. I still say Mustang and Bronco could share a dash. (With some unique pieces between the two to make it work) Edited February 24, 2018 by sullynd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 If Bronco gets the Ranger dash Ill be disappointed. I still say Mustang and Bronco could share a dash. (With some unique pieces between the two to make it work) I still think youre misunderstanding what Im trying to say. Think of it like the Focus and C-Max IPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I still think youre misunderstanding what Im trying to say. Think of it like the Focus and C-Max IPs Thats what Im thinking for Mustang. A Bronco dash thats as close to the Ranger dash as the Focus is to the C-Max would be a disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 A different dash by all means but maybe the IP is not so different to US Ranger. While the Ranger may be a reconfigured global vehicle, the Bronco will be heavily influenced by US regional preferences. Instead of Everest, the US is getting it own unique top hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) I still think youre misunderstanding what Im trying to say. Think of it like the Focus and C-Max IPs Now as a twist compare a Cmax IP to a Escape IP. Now that is more of a carbon copy than Expedition to F150 of prior years all damn day. Edited February 25, 2018 by wildosvt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) Any idea yet what sort of wheelbase increase we can expect, are we lookin at a small increase of about an inch or could we expect more so that Ford can fill the large compact - small mid sized car segments? Just a hunch... but I'm going with 2,700mm... don't ask me why, I just have a good feeling about that number Wheelbase comparison: Mk3 Focus: 2,648 mm or 104.3" VW Jetta: 2,685 mm or 105.7" Buick Verano (Opel Astra sedan too): 2,700 mm or 106.3" Chevy Cruze: 2,700 mm or 106.3" Honda Civic: 2,700 mm or 106.3" Mazda 3: 2,700 mm or 106.3" Nissan Sentra: 2,700 mm or 106.3" Hyundai Elantra: 2,700 mm or 106.3" Kia Forte: 2,700 mm or 106.3" Toyota Corolla (sedan): 2,700 mm or 106.3" Renault Megane (sedan) Sedan: 2,711 mm or 106.7" Peugeot 408: 2,730mm or 107.5" So at the very minimum, there will be a 2" stretch just to keep up with the current generation of ALL of the competitors. Edited February 26, 2018 by bzcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordowner Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) If it ends up looking like this it will be a lot easier for me to overlook it for being made in China. If the ST pictures turn out not to be fake it will be harder to dismiss for being built in China. I'm not sure how I feel about buying a car that is largely identified as being built in China even if the car I bought was not made in China. Something about this one looks very Kia ish or sort of like one of those anime insects Edited February 26, 2018 by Fordowner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 If it ends up looking like this it will be a lot easier for me to overlook it for being made in China. If the ST pictures turn out not to be fake I will be harder to dismiss for being built in China. I'm not sure how I feel about buying a car that is largely identified as being built in China even if the car I bought was not made in China. Something about this one looks very Kia ish or sort of like one of those anime insects LOL, so even if it's not made in China, because some of them are made in China, you won't buy one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 If it ends up looking like this it will be a lot easier for me to overlook it for being made in China. If the ST pictures turn out not to be fake it will be harder to dismiss for being built in China. I'm not sure how I feel about buying a car that is largely identified as being built in China even if the car I bought was not made in China. Something about this one looks very Kia ish or sort of like one of those anime insects STs probably wont be built in China. Theyre probably going to come from Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordowner Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 LOL, so even if it's not made in China, because some of them are made in China, you won't buy one? Uh yea, because if its just the high end editions being built in Europe, that means the majority of the Focus' in the U.S. will be built in China and that likely will be the narrative in the press. So if this offshoring to China experiment by Ford is successful it likely will continue and I'd prefer not to support that. I question sourcing the car based on its value - if the general public comes to recognize that there are 2 different Foci, Chinese and European (which I doubt) it will only make the cheaper Foci look like a cheap knock off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Good grief - the ONLY reason they’re sourcing them from China is that Ranger is going to MAP and they have no place in North America to build the damn things for the next couple of years. They’ve already said it’s more expensive but they don’t have a good alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 look at smartphone business! Most are developed and manufactured in China. And they're devices appreciated by the millennium generation. The audience of Focus is not of people who cling to the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Millennials dont buy cars Or so Im told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 look at smartphone business! Most are developed and manufactured in China. And they're devices appreciated by the millennium generation. The audience of Focus is not of people who cling to the past Manufactured in China, maybe, but the two big smartphone players (Apple and Samsung) develop their phones in the US and South Korea, respectively (and Samsung makes their phones in Korea, too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) we know that where billions of dollars for the mexican factories, but it was cancelled, causing great damage. That would be where the Focus 4 would establish its production for North America. I believe that in order to compensate the injury, Ford opted for China and to cut costs by eliminating Fusion in western markets Edited February 27, 2018 by RadicalX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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