grbeck Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 hours ago, jpd80 said: The head muppet at Jeep is gonna shit his pants when he see what Bronco has..... But it's still a Jeep...that brand equity isn't going to disappear overnight. The one left out in the cold will likely be GM, as it has nothing to counter the Jeep or the Bronco at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 40 minutes ago, grbeck said: The one left out in the cold will likely be GM, as it has nothing to counter the Jeep or the Bronco at this point. Unless you believe the rumors of a possible BEV Hummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, mackinaw said: Unless you believe the rumors of a possible BEV Hummer. That would be interesting, but GM needs more than rumors about a vehicle to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, grbeck said: The one left out in the cold will likely be GM, as it has nothing to counter the Jeep or the Bronco at this point. What about the Blazer? ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 What heep needs is a run of 2 door Unlimited's....14 years later the LJ's are still bringing premium price...the 4 doors on the gladiator just kills that rig...useless for everything which i am afraid how bronco is going to end up as well.....but u city folk can bring home your case of Ensure in style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: What about the Blazer? ? Judging by the reaction of most GM fans, they do not view the new Blazer as a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, grbeck said: Judging by the reaction of most GM fans, they do not view the new Blazer as a treat. They don't look bad on the outside in real life, but they sure don't deserve the Blazer name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: They don't look bad on the outside in real life, but they sure don't deserve the Blazer name. True. Plus, they quickly get expensive when equipped in the manner buyers in this class expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, grbeck said: But it's still a Jeep...that brand equity isn't going to disappear overnight. The one left out in the cold will likely be GM, as it has nothing to counter the Jeep or the Bronco at this point. They’re both so far behind and about to get seriously bitch slapped by Broncos a lot of the actual engine info was kept from certain people to prevent them broadcasting it to all and sundry. Edited November 2, 2019 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyD Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 19 hours ago, akirby said: Not true. They just killed the new platform. Current Camaro is done in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) On 11/1/2019 at 12:33 AM, snooter said: They get rid of the stang i will never buy another ford product...they could shut down for all i care....have no issue with lectric stang if it remains true to form.....now this article is just garbage...people trade out of the new cj's just as fast as the 2 door coupes..heeps cj's beat you to death but they are fun and kewl...now the problem is the new cj's are pushing $40k which they are not worth...therefore i will keep my 61 cj heep and the scout...new f350 in driveway soon as i see how the new 20's shake out.. Under the new UAW contract, ford has agreed to a an all new Mustang in 2023 which looks to be timed right at the end of the new contract Also sounds like proposed mid sized BEVs for Flat Rock are now not happening there either so maybe Ford has realised a thing or two that’s not working with its electric plans Edited November 2, 2019 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Under the new UAW contract, ford has agreed to a an all new Mustang in 2023 which looks to be timed right at the end of the new contract Also sounds like proposed mid sized BEVs for Flat Rock are now not happening there either so maybe Ford has realised a thing or two that’s not working with its electric plans I dont think any of us would raise much of a concern on the mustang having an electric option. The problem is we dont want that nameplate used on fords version of a prius - it needs to fit alongside the original (2 door, long hood/short deck). If they do that (ford mustang prius) expect backlash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, snooter said: I dont think any of us would raise much of a concern on the mustang having an electric option. The problem is we dont want that nameplate used on fords version of a prius - it needs to fit alongside the original (2 door, long hood/short deck). If they do that (ford mustang prius) expect backlash. somebody hasn’t been paying attention. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Under the new UAW contract, ford has agreed to a an all new Mustang in 2023 which looks to be timed right at the end of the new contract Also sounds like proposed mid sized BEVs for Flat Rock are now not happening there either so maybe Ford has realised a thing or two that’s not working with its electric plans Could they be the new Ohio product? Or maybe they’re going with Rivian? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Possibly build Rivian van for Amazon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 44 minutes ago, akirby said: somebody hasn’t been paying attention. You of all people should know reading comprehension is not his strong suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) On 11/1/2019 at 12:24 PM, grbeck said: But it's still a Jeep...that brand equity isn't going to disappear overnight. The one left out in the cold will likely be GM, as it has nothing to counter the Jeep or the Bronco at this point. I really don't understand why they cancelled their bronco/jeep competitor. I would think chevy truck guys might appreciate a tough chevy suv. Maybe they thought it would take away Silverado sales versus growing the brand? Edited November 2, 2019 by probowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, snooter said: I dont think any of us would raise much of a concern on the mustang having an electric option. The problem is we dont want that nameplate used on fords version of a prius - it needs to fit alongside the original (2 door, long hood/short deck). If they do that (ford mustang prius) expect backlash. The difference is that this thing looks like a mustang and is wicked fast The back lash will be nothing compared to mustang buyers defecting to Bronco. Edited November 3, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 19 hours ago, jpd80 said: Under the new UAW contract, ford has agreed to a an all new Mustang in 2023 which looks to be timed right at the end of the new contract Did they actually state 2023 for the all new Mustang though? I know the new UAW contract covers 4 years, so the all new Mustang would have to appear within that time frame, but I didn't see the year 2023 actually stated. Apologies if I've missed something......I'm merely trying to gather as much information as I can on the next-gen Mustang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang let back Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 The fca boss is beyond stupid!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Twin Turbo said: Did they actually state 2023 for the all new Mustang though? I know the new UAW contract covers 4 years, so the all new Mustang would have to appear within that time frame, but I didn't see the year 2023 actually stated. Apologies if I've missed something......I'm merely trying to gather as much information as I can on the next-gen Mustang They used the term all new Mustang and said by 2023. I would figure that as being a heavy evolution of today’s car Edited November 3, 2019 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 3 hours ago, mustang let back said: The fca boss is beyond stupid!! Not really. I'm sure he's looking at trade-in data provided by the dealers. I see very few Mustang's, Camaro's or Challengers in rural northern Michigan. I do see a ton of Jeep Wranglers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 11/2/2019 at 1:54 PM, akirby said: somebody hasn’t been paying attention. Yes, we keep telling you not to feed the troll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang let back Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 hours ago, mackinaw said: Not really. I'm sure he's looking at trade-in data provided by the dealers. I see very few Mustang's, Camaro's or Challengers in rural northern Michigan. I do see a ton of Jeep Wranglers. Last time i checked,michigan is just one state.I do think fca got fined millions of dollars for cooking the books,or INFLATING sales,so what he says means nothing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itguy09 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 8:48 AM, silvrsvt said: Diehards don't pay the bills. Selling cars is about selling to your biggest audience (and making a profit off them) and the audience for Sports Cars is more or less at niche levels-Do you want to sell 80-100K $30K Sports cars or do you want to sell 250-300K SUV's at $40-50K a pop? Diedard was a wrong choice on my part but I doubt many cross shop sports cars and Jeeps. Those that buy a 2 door sports car know what they are getting into - an impractical vehicle that's fun. The Wrangler is marginally more practical but definitely a totally different type of vehicle and one I doubt many cross shop. On 10/31/2019 at 8:48 AM, silvrsvt said: Part of the reason why the Mustang is still around is that its Ford number one known product (even more so then the F-series I'd say) and its part of its legacy. Can you imagine what would happen if they tried to get rid of it? You saw what happened roughly 30 years ago when Ford thought about it with the Probe. I'm betting that there is going to be a giant shitshow when the Mach E has the Mustang name or Mustang badging on it when it showed off next month-but in the grand scheme of things its going to allow the Mustang to survive for another 50 years-Just look at what CUV additions have done for Porsche over the years. Agree completely on the Mustang. There has never been a year since 64 that you couldn't buy one. Some were great, some were good, and some were bad (looking at you Mustang II). But it's the one of most widely known vehicles on the planet. As long as it can share bits with the F150 (engine, transmission) and make money I don't think it's going anywhere. Some may bitch about the expansion of Mustang but I say bring it on as long as it performs. Porsche did that with the SUVs and even the Panamera. They are Porsche through and through. I love my Mustang but for all intents and purposes it's a 2 seater. If it had 4 doors, handled, sounded, and looked like the current generation I bet they would sell tons more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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